Is AJ the most bizarre boxer since Oliver McCall?

[deathofaclown]

What a nonsense thread.

he’s a pretty good fighter with some very basic parts of his skill set and he got outboxed by an elite boxer. that’s the top and bottom of it.

As for his mentality, he’s probably gone a bit soft with all the money he’s made. he isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

[deathofaclown]

Very Interesting analysis... I have a unique perspective here in the States having grown up, a minority (A white guy) in East Harlem, most of the kids I grew up with were Puerto Rican, or Black. I say this because, something one from a hood like East Harlem cannot help noticing is the lack of brutality you often see in British fighters. Not in the ring per se...but the way they speak and conduct themselves. I always get a feeling like there is a fragility there... again, this is perception, not reality. I also must say that Whyte and Chisora, seem the exception regarding this perception. It is probably why I have always liked those two...

There is no question in my mind that however one frames the issue with AJ, he would benefit immeasuraby being in a boxing gym, with a trainer like Don Turner, in America. Lewis benefitted from this for many of the very same reasons. When I think of AJ in my schoolyard days, he would have to be a killer the way he walks around lol... He just presents as soft... lol. Not so much for Chisora or Whyte... different mentality entirely.

I don't claim to know what it is about AJ... But whatever you are picking up on your radar, I am picking up on as well. Killer instinct. Killer instinct is the reason IMO Klitsko was never a GOAT. It was something Lewis seemes to artificially develop later in his career (the Michael Grant fight for example) that elevated him. AJ would benefit from it immeasurably IMO.

Because here in the UK, we find that tough man image to be cheesy, or corny as the Americans put it. It impresses nobody, because it’s just an act with 99% of people.

Some of the best fighters have been respectful and well mannered. Look at the beating GGG put on Stevens when he tried that street act.

Fury stood in a press conference for the Cunningham fight and told all Cunningham’s group of hangers from Philly on they’re a joke basically, acting like tough guys. They didn’t do a thing.

As for AJ, I don’t think ever had that real toughness in him anyway. I don’t think it’s anything geographical, just the individual.

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Mike Tyson considers the British to be tougher than Americans when it comes to being game for a fight and I think it’s true. We just get stuck in. Americans sue each other.

[Frankie Coffeecake]

He's never been allowed to be himself from day 1. From the Olympics on he's been made to wear this false mask being Mr PC talking about bringing people together.

[billeau2]

Would we get more generic white American boxers if whites started beating their children’s azzes like ********** do?

Well remember the Irish... they were tough that way, climbing the ladder as all ********** in the USA had to. In theory, violence begetts violence.

[billeau2]

Because here in the UK, we find that tough man image to be cheesy, or corny as the Americans put it. It impresses nobody, because it’s just an act with 99% of people.

Some of the best fighters have been respectful and well mannered. Look at the beating GGG put on Stevens when he tried that street act.

Fury stood in a press conference for the Cunningham fight and told all Cunningham’s group of hangers from Philly on they’re a joke basically, acting like tough guys. They didn’t do a thing.

As for AJ, I don’t think ever had that real toughness in him anyway. I don’t think it’s anything geographical, just the individual.

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Mike Tyson considers the British to be tougher than Americans when it comes to being game for a fight and I think it’s true. We just get stuck in. Americans sue each other.

Well, its hard to compare because fighters no longer only come from the downtrodden classes. Nature versus Nurture. Can you make a fighter out of someone who did not come up hard? Tough guy acts are one thing... coming from a family of 15 brothers and sisters, having nothing and a father that beats you (Sonny Liston) is another.

[BangEM]

He's never been allowed to be himself from day 1. From the Olympics on he's been made to wear this false mask being Mr PC talking about bringing people together.

Isn’t that what he’s doing by surrounding himself solely with white people whilst making outlandish racial comments to get street cred from the black population.

That’s the same nonsense that has plagued him in the ring. Focusing on too much nonsense rather than his profession.

[Lance98]

AJ is a fake. He is portraying a clean image that he himself isn't. He is trying to be some role model, but real people know that he is an act. There is a reason why not many people respect him. He hides behind eddy hearn and plays the diva card a lot, trying to act like he is the top dog and calls the shots. Don't forget AJ was the same guy who ****** up to mayweather and even said that he will box on mayweather/mcgregor's undercard and be tyson fury's training partner when fury was preparing for wilder's 2nd fight. How could a unified HW champ say something like this? Where is your spine?

[BangEM]

Well, its hard to compare because fighters no longer only come from the downtrodden classes. Nature versus Nurture. Can you make a fighter out of someone who did not come up hard? Tough guy acts are one thing... coming from a family of 15 brothers and sisters, having nothing and a father that beats you (Sonny Liston) is another.

The guy is just spouting nonsense.

Fury, Whyte, Chisora and Haye act like tough guys and no one calls them cheesy. Fury does his own tough guy act in a goofy way while the others just act tough.

Not saying AJ should do that - his overly friendly attitude is very cheesy hence a lot of people think he’s fake and acting. He needs to keep a straight face and be normal.

[BangEM]

Its social conditioning... Put me in a damn park that is one square mile and if I don't have a compass I get lost... might as well be in cootersville. But in a hood? its like the senses sharpen, know where to go, what to avoid, how to act, etc. One aspect of this is just what people get used to when it comes to conflict. In these rough areas, people get very used to violence and it doesn't bother them so much.

Philosophically speaking, how much does fighting from a young age, versus training to be a fighter, each, compliments teach other? How does each in turn affect a person? We know that brutality, discrimination, conflict and having little means, have created a crucible that formed our greatest fighters. Even beyond muggings and such... it has to do with parenting... I have only on rare occasion given my two boys a swat on the rump, never a sustained beating. But my dad hit me lol, and his dad hit him, and many boxers had violent parents by today's standards. This affects someone as well I think. I didn't have it so bad, but there were kids I knew who when they got into a scrap, better give a good account, or they would catch a worse beating at home. I think that is horrid. I do think growing up that way makes people mean and conditioned to aproach fighting as something that is a joy...

Does AJ lack the rough edges he needs? Can he compensate? Is there a level of training that supercedes nature in nurture? Ironickly enough, AJ's opponent probably has a similar situation as AJ... Usyk does not have the edge of a fighter like Rahman, Chisora... Yet he manages quite well.

Being raised in those areas build character and nothing would scare you most times. They’re like gladiator schools.

Fighting from a young age has helped a guy like Fury in the ring. It’s cultural for him as a traveller and they have to go through that boot camp, fighting outside caravans with bare knuckles. And today, Fury knows when to switch it up and turn it into fighting with rough house tactics whenever he’s getting outboxed.

I think with Usyk, he gets uncomfortable when you put it on him. The Briedis fight is a good example. Briedis roughed him up. And he was also very uncomfortable and off rhythm against Chisora until Chisora started blowing air out of arse.

[BodyBagz]

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AJ is not mental. He's a good loser.