Mike Tyson claims he would’ve beaten Usyk and AJ in his prime

[Tatabanya]

Then Joshua and everyone else can just list excuses for their losses and everyone can just call themselves unbeaten in their prime. The Tyson excuses are laughable. He just wasn't that good. Joshua is not elite, but he's three times the fighter Douglas was, and Douglas was better than Tyson. Nash out.

We were talking about "quitting", not justifying the losses. Had you read that post - and the rest of my posts in this thread - for real, and not only glanced superficially at them, you would not have typed the above words. Hopefully.

In regard to your overall evaluation of Tyson, everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course. And your opinion should not be taken seriously if you base it on a single fight's result. Thanks to your logic, I've just learned that Robbie Sims was better than Roberto Duran, and Enzo Maccarinelli was better than Roy Jones Jr... Pathetic stuff.

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We were talking about "quitting", not justifying the losses. Had you read that post - and the rest of my posts in this thread - for real, and not only glanced superficially at them, you would not have typed the above words. Hopefully.

In regard to your overall evaluation of Tyson, everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course. And your opinion should not be taken seriously if you base it on a single fight's result. Thanks to your logic, I've just learned that Robbie Sims was better than Roberto Duran, and Enzo Maccarinelli was better than Roy Jones Jr... Pathetic stuff.

One result! Tyson was an insanely big fave going into the Holyfield fight and Holyfield was 3 levels above him, as he was in the rematch. Lewis outclassed him, and then even Williams and McBride proved too much, Tyson, even at that age, if he was 10% as good as some think he is, would have won those fights. Nash out.

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NO WAY in hell could AJ beat Tyson...sh it, I would STILL give Mike a chance against A.J. TODAY... Slow with a glass chin. He gets KTFO in less than 4.

What would AJ do to McBride from the Tyson fight? He'd KO him very early without a doubt. So Tyson, who couldn't beat McBride around 20 years ago, can beat AJ, who is 1000 times better than McBride, today? Mike Tyson fans are hilarious! Btw I'm not an AJ fan. Nash out.

[Tatabanya]

One result! Tyson was an insanely big fave going into the Holyfield fight and Holyfield was 3 levels above him, as he was in the rematch. Lewis outclassed him, and then even Williams and McBride proved too much, Tyson, even at that age, if he was 10% as good as some think he is, would have won those fights. Nash out.

It would be honest if you only declared yourself to be a Tyson hater rather than a "boxing historian". I'd appreciate you more, really. Crosby & Stills in.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The Usyk vs Joshua fight was a slow paced fight, with limited inside fighting.

Neither fighter can really fight on the inside, and especially not Joshua. And Joshua routinely gets out jabbed by fighters who he apparently has a bigger reach than.

Joshua just does not have the skill set to survive against Mike Tyson for very long. Joshua inside fighting capability is low, does not like to rough fighters up, seems not to be able to wrestle in the clinches. And this new repressed Joshua wants to be people's mate outside the ring.

Frank Bruno once stated on his book 'That Mike Tyson was extremely manipulative and sadistic outside the ring, he could lull his opponents into a false sense of security'. Say nice things about you, but then later on in the day when you are alone 'Those nice comments would take on different meanings'.

If Mike Tyson & Anthony Joshua fought. Joshua is going to get hit, he will most like then try and box and just slowly be beaten up real bad. What else he going to do? I don't think he has the power to stop Tyson in his tracks immediately, RIGHT NOW I don't think he has that type of power anymore.

Of course on subjects like this, people will back there fighters 'And I am backing Mike Tyson'.

Joshua in his losing efforts, has been quite whimsical. Mike Tyson was never whimsical in his losing efforts.

He fought hard until the end vs Holyfield 'Who is a better fighter than Usyk'. It took a 28 punch combination, for Danny Williams to put a injured Mike Tyson on the canvas. In all of his fights, it took a considerable amount of heavy bombardment to overhaul Mike Tyson 'This notion that he would just disappear is a fairy-tale that people convinced themselves is real for comfort' there are many tales like that in life.

Note: Joshua endurance has also gone backwards since the pe Ruiz I. I get it on paper, the size of Joshua and guys like Fury is really lets face it? The only reason why people try and make cases for them to beat past fighters. Most super-heavyweights these days are big in terms of mass, but low on conditioning. People **** on about Fury's endurance, but does anyone really watch his fights? Fury at times looks like he is fighting under water as the fight progresses. Tyson Fury endurance is satisfactory, I would not put it in the realms of Carl Froch, Joe Calzaghe or Evander Holyfield.

Usyk vs Joshua was in my opinion not a high level action fight. Usyk even stated it himself 'It was not his toughest fight'.

[Tatabanya]

The Usyk vs Joshua fight was a slow paced fight, with limited inside fighting.

Neither fighter can really fight on the inside, and especially not Joshua. And Joshua routinely gets out jabbed by fighters who he apparently has a bigger reach then.

Joshua just does not have the skill set to survive against Mike Tyson for very long. Joshua inside fighting capability is low, does not like to rough fighters up, seems not to be able to wrestle in the clinches. And this new repressed Joshua wants to be people's mate outside the ring.

Frank Bruno once stated on his book 'That Mike Tyson was extremely manipulative and sadistic outside the ring, he could lull his opponents into a false sense of security'. Say nice things about you, but then later on in the day when you are alone 'Those nice comments would take on different meanings'.

If Mike Tyson & Anthony Joshua fought. Joshua is going to get hit, he will most like then try and box and just slowly be beaten up real bad. What else he going to do? I don't think e has the power to stop Tyson in his tracks immediately, RIGHT NOW I don't think he has that type of power anymore.

Of course on subjects like this, people will back there fighters 'And I am backing Mike Tyson'.

Joshua in his losing efforts, has been quite whimsical. Mike Tyson was never whimsical in his losing efforts.

He fought hard until the end vs Holyfield 'Who is a better fighter than Usyk'. It took a 28 punch combination, for Danny Williams to put a injured Mike Tyson on the canvas. In all of his fights, it took a considerable amount of heavy bombardment to overhaul Mike Tyson 'This notion that he would just disappear is a fairy-tale that people convinced themselves is real for comfort' there are many tales like that in life.

Note: Joshua endurance has also gone backwards since the pe Ruiz I. I get it on paper, the size of Joshua and guys like Fury is really lets face it? The only reason why people try and make cases for them to beat past fighters. Most super-heavyweights these days are big in terms of mass, but low on conditioning. People **** on about Fury's endurance, but does anyone really watch his fights? Fury at times looks like he is fighting under water as the fight progresses.

Usyk vs Joshua was in my opinion not a high level action fight. Usyk even stated it himself 'It was not his toughest fight'.

PRINCEKOOL, as always you're an intelligent analyst.

Analysts observe facts and report about them. "Historians" repeat what someone else told before them, and usually tend to go with the established popular opinion, a safer path for one's psychology. That's the difference.

[PeasantCrusha]

What would AJ do to McBride from the Tyson fight? He'd KO him very early without a doubt. So Tyson, who couldn't beat McBride around 20 years ago, can beat AJ, who is 1000 times better than McBride, today? Mike Tyson fans are hilarious! Btw I'm not an AJ fan. Nash out.

McBride had a chin.


Styles make fights.


A.J. could not handle Mike's speed and punches to that tender jaw...


Just facts.



But yea, keep finding desperate equations to rationalize Joshua beating Mike.


"but but McBride"

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It would be honest if you only declared yourself to be a Tyson hater rather than a "boxing historian". I'd appreciate you more, really. Crosby & Stills in.

I loved Tyson back in the day, but, just like with Prince Naseem, who I also loved, neither were as good as we all hoped. Tyson was past it in losing his latter fights, but the excuses for the Douglas loss by many of his fans, are not excused by me, he lost, fair and square, he was completely outboxed, and then knocked out, only having any success at all in the round he knocked Douglas down, and boxing is not a stop watch count, it's a referees count, which is almost always slower. And as I said, Tyson was rated higher than Holyfield, and he should have been on that level or above it, but he was well below. Nash out.

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McBride had a chin.


Styles make fights.


A.J. could not handle Mike's speed and punches to that tender jaw...


Just facts.



But yea, keep finding desperate equations to rationalize Joshua beating Mike.


"but but McBride"

That is some grade A+ trolling. I congratulate you. Nash out.

[PRINCEKOOL]

PRINCEKOOL, as always you're an intelligent analyst.

Analysts observe facts and report about them. "Historians" repeat what someone else told before them, and usually tend to go with the established popular opinion, a safer path for one's psychology. That's the difference.

I will also be honest enough and say 'Tyson Fury will be the most competitive' he would survive the longest. But he for sure would not win.

Fury can wrestle about on the inside, and he is not going to disappear. But where he will struggle is with his endurance, which is completely overrated in terms of comparing him to past fighters 'And his punching power'.

If you cannot stop Tyson in his tracks or put him under consistent continuous heavy bombardment 'You are going to struggle'.

The Riddler Fury the Tyson Fury who was 250 pounds, his punching power was even less than it is today. Kronk Fury, is easy to close down and gets hit in all of his fights. The Kronk Fury we see today, has shown zero evidence that he has the ability to 'Produce his old Riddler style at 270 + pounds'.

Fury has seemed to gain this reputation as a masterful defensive boxer, when in reality? Anyone who has watched his career from the start, will know that he is a clumsy fighter innately.

There are three version's of Tyson Fury, which are: Clumsy Kid, The Riddler and Kronk Fury. Clumsy kid is who Fury has been for about 75% of his career, innately that clumsy, game and exciting fighter 'Is who he is deep down inside'.

I compared Kronk Fury to Muhammad Ali during the 70's, Ali knew that he had to evolve in order to stay in the game. In some ways Ali was better, but in other ways his game had regressed. Tyson Fury when he first came back, tried his up most best to duplicate his former condition under Peter Fury. Fury came close, but his game and conditioning was not quite as astute 'That is why he was decked twice by Deontay Wilder'.

The Deontay Wilder I fight, was the last time we witnessed 'The Riddler'. After this point slowly, within the genome within Tyson Fury. New gene's started to express themselves, and he evolved into Kronk Fury.

Note: I still don't rate Usyk extremely highly as a heavyweight, stylistically 'Usyk may well be the second easiest fight for Mike Tyson out of Fury, Joshua and Usyk'. I don't quite like that descriptive 'Easiest'. Tyson would encounter the least resistance from Joshua.