Anthony Joshua's biggest problems and the way forward

[BangEM]

lol funny

What you have to remember is some of us actually know boxing and have been telling you for a while the reality and truth but you’re too busy being a fanboy and sky casual you believe the nonsense marketing hype.

You're a fake ***, piss off.

A fraud should NEVER have an opinion amongst great thinkers.

A Fury s3m3n slurper calling a next man a fan boy. Interesting.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I don’t think you can fix a lack of talent.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Surprised you’re still alive **** Em, thought you might have ended it after last night.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Everyone can't be a yes-man and sometimes someone has to say the bitter truth. Especially amongst his loyal fans who have been supporting him from his amateur days.

1. You can't be taking all the risky fights in the division and difficult styles as a professional boxer whilst being stuck in an amateur setting in Sheffield. Team GB boxing institute in Sheffield isn't known for producing great amateur talents to begin with and none of his trainers have been at this level with great boxers - why stay there? Loyalty shouldn't overshadow common sense. I know he feels comfortable there but you're in the hurt business and comfort is the last thing you need when preparing to get in the ring with elite boxers. I'm not a Fury fan (will never be) but one thing about him is that he knows his limitations and he wouldn't mind changing his trainers if need be.

2. I don't think AJ has found himself and he knows who he's. I'm colour blind but a classic example is how one minute he wants to be pro-black (which infuriates a section of the white demographic) - the next minute he's mostly surrounded by white people whilst enriching them in the process and that also infuriates a section of the black population. One minute he thinks he's Al Pacino trying to follow street codes and the next minute he's a clean cut guy in a business suit. At 32, you ought to know who you're and that's also evident in the way he boxes sometimes due to overthinking things and being confused in realtime.

3. He screams loyalty but apart from Rob, none of these guys he acts loyal to give a monkey about him. Hearn would sell his mum for a quick quid and I've always said he doesn't care about AJ. Arum and Al would've put in a fix yesterday for the judges to call that fight a draw (we've seen worse robberies in boxing) with what's at stake. But in true Teflon Hearn fashion yesterday - I'm sure all he was thinking about is a rematch. He also said snide things about AJ yesterday after the fight that a promoter shouldn't say(he did the same thing after the 1st Ruiz fight). Yet this guy announced that he signed a life contract with the same guy. I don't know the content of the contract but the connotation about "life contract" alone is troubling and it's not a good omen for young/aspiring boxers. Only ****** sign life contracts.

The likes of Steve Bunce and Adam Smith have never liked him and they're both loyal Fury fans...but this guy talks about loyalty. Loyalty is a 2-way street and you always have to cater to yourself first.

4. Boxing is about 60% mental and you have to be mentally dedicated to be an all time great. It's not just about sharpening your physical tools - your warrior mindset has to be switched on at all times. All the laughing and nice guy posturing don't help against a guy trying to take off your head. If he's ever going to be an ATG - he needs the fire and mean streak that got him this far again. The nonsense he started pre-Ruiz fight has to go. Boxing isn't a gentleman's sport - it's a gladiator sport.

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Way forward:

1. Leave the UK and move to the US to train with an experienced American trainer. He has great attributes - he just needs a change of environment and someone who can make him a finished article. Lennox did the same thing and he became better for it. Rob, Joby and Angel are amateur coaches. Buddy McGirt would do a great job with AJ.

2. Time for him to find himself and stop being confused in and out of the ring. Take a stance and stay there.

3. Fffck loyalty - you have to put yourself first, no one gives a fffck about you, they only care about what they benefit from your presence.

4. Nice guys always finish last in a gladiator sport.

If he can't make these changes - it's time for him to retire. He's already a HoFer and people who achieved less got in. And he has definitely made shiiitload of money. As for me, I won't stop being a superfan and I still believe he beats Fury and Wilder.

Anthony Joshua is one of the most dedicated professionals in the game. This notion that he is still a work in progress is complete and utter nonsense.

The hours he has put in, this past decade 'I know for a fact, far surpasses anything Tyson Fury has done'.

****EM, you have to accept. That Anthony Joshua may not be this monster super heavyweight, that you have been riding with all this time.

Anthony Joshua is a good gifted athlete, who has dedicated to the sport of boxing and mastered he fundamentals.

Innately, I don't think he is a naturally gifted fighter. I don't think he as that innate ability of David Haye or Tyson Fury.

For me Joshua needs to go back to being himself. He is clearly obsessing over being super light, or training in a way that does not cater to his strengths.

His strengths were always, combination punching, punching power and just basic fundamentals. He is not genius inside the ring, he does not seem to have that foresight 'Where a fighter can see or anticipate three moves ahead'. Great masterful boxers operate 2-3 moves ahead of the action, they are continually anticipating the action 'Not all to dissimilar to a great snooker player'.

None of this is Anthony Joshua, but this is what he has been trying to be.

I commend Joshua for fighting through his trauma's, he has clearly still not slayed the dragon of Ruiz I.

I don't think this is a crisis situation, it is just competitive sport. Anthony Joshua is still a major player in the game.

[PRINCEKOOL]

We don't support the same boxer but I respect his opinion when he isn't trolling.

You can post what you think as well.

What coach apart from McCracken would you chose for Joshua?

[Dakuwaqa]

He’s just not very good.

he’s been fortunate to hold 3 belts. One he won from Martin, a guy who won a title by leg injury. one he won in a vacant fight v Wlad coming off a loss and one from Parker, who we all know by now is not that good.

Then he lost the belts once to a guy who just went life and death with a 40-year-old Arreola.

Then mostly defences v 40 year olds.

His resume is smoke and mirrors, Great matchmaking and buying title opportunities because he had a big commercial profile.


Fury won titles from long reigning champs. It’s something I **** on about but there’s a reason why. There’s a big difference between dethroning long reigning champions and essentially buying titles.

Eventually you keep getting found out if you’re not elite and AJ isn’t. He’s well into his 30’s now. He’s not going to get much better.

I don’t rate AJ highly but you go way too far.

You come across as a fanboy type boxing fan without the ability to he remotely objective.

[Dakuwaqa]

The problem with AJ is that he doesn’t have the footwork, movement and skills to be a boxer and he doesn’t have the stamina or durability to be a fighter.

Since Klitschko he’s been wary of getting clipped because he knows he could have easily lost that fight.

He tried to be smarter but he doesn’t have the skill or natural size (he’s blown up) to box like Lennox or Wlad.

If you’ve followed his career you know his weaknesses. Before the KO he was struggling to land anything on Povetkin who was tagging him consistently.

He wasn’t able to assert himself on Parker.

[KingGilgamesh]

Everyone can't be a yes-man and sometimes someone has to say the bitter truth. Especially amongst his loyal fans who have been supporting him from his amateur days.

1. You can't be taking all the risky fights in the division and difficult styles as a professional boxer whilst being stuck in an amateur setting in Sheffield. Team GB boxing institute in Sheffield isn't known for producing great amateur talents to begin with and none of his trainers have been at this level with great boxers - why stay there? Loyalty shouldn't overshadow common sense. I know he feels comfortable there but you're in the hurt business and comfort is the last thing you need when preparing to get in the ring with elite boxers. I'm not a Fury fan (will never be) but one thing about him is that he knows his limitations and he wouldn't mind changing his trainers if need be.

2. I don't think AJ has found himself and he knows who he's. I'm colour blind but a classic example is how one minute he wants to be pro-black (which infuriates a section of the white demographic) - the next minute he's mostly surrounded by white people whilst enriching them in the process and that also infuriates a section of the black population. One minute he thinks he's Al Pacino trying to follow street codes and the next minute he's a clean cut guy in a business suit. At 32, you ought to know who you're and that's also evident in the way he boxes sometimes due to overthinking things and being confused in realtime.

3. He screams loyalty but apart from Rob, none of these guys he acts loyal to give a monkey about him. Hearn would sell his mum for a quick quid and I've always said he doesn't care about AJ. Arum and Al would've put in a fix yesterday for the judges to call that fight a draw (we've seen worse robberies in boxing) with what's at stake. But in true Teflon Hearn fashion yesterday - I'm sure all he was thinking about is a rematch. He also said snide things about AJ yesterday after the fight that a promoter shouldn't say(he did the same thing after the 1st Ruiz fight). Yet this guy announced that he signed a life contract with the same guy. I don't know the content of the contract but the connotation about "life contract" alone is troubling and it's not a good omen for young/aspiring boxers. Only ****** sign life contracts.

The likes of Steve Bunce and Adam Smith have never liked him and they're both loyal Fury fans...but this guy talks about loyalty. Loyalty is a 2-way street and you always have to cater to yourself first.

4. Boxing is about 60% mental and you have to be mentally dedicated to be an all time great. It's not just about sharpening your physical tools - your warrior mindset has to be switched on at all times. All the laughing and nice guy posturing don't help against a guy trying to take off your head. If he's ever going to be an ATG - he needs the fire and mean streak that got him this far again. The nonsense he started pre-Ruiz fight has to go. Boxing isn't a gentleman's sport - it's a gladiator sport.

================================================== =

Way forward:

1. Leave the UK and move to the US to train with an experienced American trainer. He has great attributes - he just needs a change of environment and someone who can make him a finished article. Lennox did the same thing and he became better for it. Rob, Joby and Angel are amateur coaches. Buddy McGirt would do a great job with AJ.

2. Time for him to find himself and stop being confused in and out of the ring. Take a stance and stay there.

3. Fffck loyalty - you have to put yourself first, no one gives a fffck about you, they only care about what they benefit from your presence.

4. Nice guys always finish last in a gladiator sport.

If he can't make these changes - it's time for him to retire. He's already a HoFer and people who achieved less got in. And he has definitely made shiiitload of money. As for me, I won't stop being a superfan and I still believe he beats Fury and Wilder.

Woah

He'll has ****ing frozen over.

An intelligent and well thought out post from BangEM. What the **** timeline are we in????

[KingGilgamesh]

He’s just not very good.

he’s been fortunate to hold 3 belts. One he won from Martin, a guy who won a title by leg injury. one he won in a vacant fight v Wlad coming off a loss and one from Parker, who we all know by now is not that good.

Then he lost the belts once to a guy who just went life and death with a 40-year-old Arreola.

Then mostly defences v 40 year olds.

His resume is smoke and mirrors, Great matchmaking and buying title opportunities because he had a big commercial profile.


Fury won titles from long reigning champs. It’s something I **** on about but there’s a reason why. There’s a big difference between dethroning long reigning champions and essentially buying titles.

Eventually you keep getting found out if you’re not elite and AJ isn’t. He’s well into his 30’s now. He’s not going to get much better.

Not being that great isn't an issue. Boxing is a skill like anything else and skills can be improved upon. Joshau strikes me as an astute professional and those types always learn. The problem is Joshua's team and British boxing have been lying about his supposed skill for years. It's caught up with them all in a massive way.

[#1PaperChamp]

Everyone can't be a yes-man and sometimes someone has to say the bitter truth. Especially amongst his loyal fans who have been supporting him from his amateur days.

1. You can't be taking all the risky fights in the division and difficult styles as a professional boxer whilst being stuck in an amateur setting in Sheffield. Team GB boxing institute in Sheffield isn't known for producing great amateur talents to begin with and none of his trainers have been at this level with great boxers - why stay there? Loyalty shouldn't overshadow common sense. I know he feels comfortable there but you're in the hurt business and comfort is the last thing you need when preparing to get in the ring with elite boxers. I'm not a Fury fan (will never be) but one thing about him is that he knows his limitations and he wouldn't mind changing his trainers if need be.

2. I don't think AJ has found himself and he knows who he's. I'm colour blind but a classic example is how one minute he wants to be pro-black (which infuriates a section of the white demographic) - the next minute he's mostly surrounded by white people whilst enriching them in the process and that also infuriates a section of the black population. One minute he thinks he's Al Pacino trying to follow street codes and the next minute he's a clean cut guy in a business suit. At 32, you ought to know who you're and that's also evident in the way he boxes sometimes due to overthinking things and being confused in realtime.

3. He screams loyalty but apart from Rob, none of these guys he acts loyal to give a monkey about him. Hearn would sell his mum for a quick quid and I've always said he doesn't care about AJ. Arum and Al would've put in a fix yesterday for the judges to call that fight a draw (we've seen worse robberies in boxing) with what's at stake. But in true Teflon Hearn fashion yesterday - I'm sure all he was thinking about is a rematch. He also said snide things about AJ yesterday after the fight that a promoter shouldn't say(he did the same thing after the 1st Ruiz fight). Yet this guy announced that he signed a life contract with the same guy. I don't know the content of the contract but the connotation about "life contract" alone is troubling and it's not a good omen for young/aspiring boxers. Only ****** sign life contracts.

The likes of Steve Bunce and Adam Smith have never liked him and they're both loyal Fury fans...but this guy talks about loyalty. Loyalty is a 2-way street and you always have to cater to yourself first.

4. Boxing is about 60% mental and you have to be mentally dedicated to be an all time great. It's not just about sharpening your physical tools - your warrior mindset has to be switched on at all times. All the laughing and nice guy posturing don't help against a guy trying to take off your head. If he's ever going to be an ATG - he needs the fire and mean streak that got him this far again. The nonsense he started pre-Ruiz fight has to go. Boxing isn't a gentleman's sport - it's a gladiator sport.

================================================== =

Way forward:

1. Leave the UK and move to the US to train with an experienced American trainer. He has great attributes - he just needs a change of environment and someone who can make him a finished article. Lennox did the same thing and he became better for it. Rob, Joby and Angel are amateur coaches. Buddy McGirt would do a great job with AJ.

2. Time for him to find himself and stop being confused in and out of the ring. Take a stance and stay there.

3. Fffck loyalty - you have to put yourself first, no one gives a fffck about you, they only care about what they benefit from your presence.

4. Nice guys always finish last in a gladiator sport.

If he can't make these changes - it's time for him to retire. He's already a HoFer and people who achieved less got in. And he has definitely made shiiitload of money. As for me, I won't stop being a superfan and I still believe he beats Fury and Wilder.

A very long post to say:

AJ is an extremely orthodox fighter. He has a basic arsenal with poor foot movement. He cannot punch on the move and he doesnt fight particularly well going forward or backward...his strength is standing still and relying on being bigger and taller with longer reach...basically the guy is ordinary in a weight class that allows him to compete with smaller men.

He also doesnt have the mindset of a boxer. No killer instinct and seems to do it more for the fun of it rather than drive to compete and win

/thread