Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: Anthony Joshua's Fought Not One Heavyweight in His Prime

[NorvernRob]

Got a fight with Wilder to sell, but Fury knows all anyone cares about is AJ, so he has to use his name and bring him into it.

As for those saying AJ hasn’t fought Fury or Wilder, well I seem to remember Wilder turning down a $100m contract which included 2 fights with AJ to ‘bet on himself’, and AJ signed the contract to fight Fury this year - who was the one that ****ed that up?

End of the day, Fury has 2 legit names on his record. One was a stinkfest, he then ran from 2 rematches and and AJ beat Klit better than he did. Other is Wilder who everyone knows is a right hand and literally nothing else, and it took him 2 attempts to do that. There isn’t one single other notable win. Most people couldn’t even name 5 other opponents.

Calls himself the real champion, but at 33 years old has never fought a mandatory and never had a single title defence. How can even his biggest fanboys defend that?

[Ropeydope]

Well Furys been saying why he shouldn’t fight AJ the entire time with excuses so that’s really not true at all but taking things out of context . Fury coming back wasn’t going to jump in the ring with AJ right away so that’s why AJ said that , Hearn wasn’t going to let Fury have any excuses in a loss and offered him a 3 fight deal but Fury whined about it claiming the opponents were to hard and Hearn was trying to set him up ,those guys were Kuzman , Kaufman and Whyte .

Fury really talks a lot of nonsense,you have to be a hardcore fan to go along with it . Ha

Like I said, I don’t go along with it. It’s just noise. They are all politicians until the bell rings, then they peak my interest. I don’t care who said what, when. I do specifically remember that angle being presented but I would not be the best person to present exact context since I don’t do social media, and I basically couldn’t care less about Twitter wars, only ring wars.

[Rodtang]

Beating Wilder from pillar to post in the 2nd fight was more impressive than any win AJ has gotten so far. And although it was pretty boring, beating Wlad in Germany in the manner Fury did is more impressive than going life and death with him in your hometown.

If AJ puts on a good performance vs Usyk and stops him, i'll rethink it.

Furys win over Wilder was impressive. But it took a second fight for him to do that. Why not the first time? And if Wilder would ever man up and fight AJ I see him doing it also, and first time around. Whyte will plough through Wilder also. AJ and Whyte will never get that fight. Wlad was a fighter who had lost the fire in his belly and didn't turn up against Fury and he sc****d it. Your right it was boring, but props to Fury for doing what he had to, and you can only beat the guy in front of you. Against AJ that fire had returned and it was a great fight that truly tested an inexperienced AJ in a fight that was probably a little early for him. Especially given Wlads greatly improved performance over his Fury performance. For me that was what we would have seen in the Fury rematch and Fury realized that too and wanted no part of it. It's interesting you say high end wins but only mention 2. That sums it up for me as his resume is poor. And Wilder is poor and would have been beaten way before Fury if he took the big fights and not the safe comfortable ones. AJ has a real tough one with Usyk. I'm an AJ fan as you'll gather, but not one to say he wins just because I'm a fan. I genuinely think he has his hands full here and I'm fearful for him in this one. I do think he can win but I'm not sure will. Still I'm looking forward to the fights this fall and its only a sport at the end of the day. I respect all opinions.

[Jab jab boom]

Even that initial flat fee offer of 12mil was more than Wilder deserved. Tell me another fighter who has earned 12mil against AJ? Better yet tell me another fighter against whom Wilder could have fought to get 12 mil from at that time. 12 mil at that time was 6-8 times more than he ever earned before. So on what basis was he not getting a fair cut? And the offers only got bigger and the coward still didn't accept them. Tell me exactly what Wilder should be getting, because as i see it he ain't worth ****. And its a totally moot subject anyway as they've never wanted it and won't ever take it. They've never had a meeting, a discussion, nothing. Fury, I give some benefit of the doubt as he was always gonna go for Wilder before AJ. That's just common sense. Build yourself up against the weaker link to make the biggest fight as big as it can be. Be there's no excuse for fighting Schwarz and Wallin, when he should have been taking care of Wilder sooner. Then the whole fiasco of this year, with Team AJ working their butts off to make a huge fight the fans really want, whilst team Fury done sod all but criticise and whinge then end up back with his buddy Wilder. Such a joke, those 2 have turned this division into a farce.

I already broke down the finances and how the low ball percentage cut is consistently a deal breaker regardless if it’s more money than they’ve made before. Same way wilder would do his biggest numbers vs Aj at the time, Aj would do his highest numbers vs wilder so the cut needs to be better than an 80-20 type of deal. That’s just logic. As far as cowards, so by your logic, wilder fears Aj but is willing to fight fury for a third time when nearly every credible outlet has fury ranked higher than Aj. Especially after seeing how fragile Ajs jaw and and heart are after the Ruiz fight. End of the day, Fury and Wilder facing each other for a third time surpasses any opposition Joshua has faced. That’s why you’re grasping at straws trying to overrate whyte and Ruiz because you’re trying to justify his inferior opposition in comparison to wilder and fury facing each other. The truth is, I’m not a fan of either of the three, I’m basing my points in being a rationale hiding fan. You’re arguing out of emotion because you adore Aj.

[Jab jab boom]

Whyte got knocked out by a good punch from a Povetkin who was being outboxed up until that point. Same happened to Ortiz against Wilder twice. **** happens sometimes. Why is the Cunningham fight not worth mentioning? Because it doesn't suit your opinion and you have no argument to it? I'm not with you on the Wilder vs Arreola thing. I didn't mention Arreola so explain the relevance please. In case your pointing out something that I have overlooked or am unaware of and may alter my perception of things.

the relevance of mentioning arreola is I’m pointing out your same triangle theory logic. You want to use a Cunningham fight from 8 yrs ago to assess how fury performs Vs technical boxers but by using that same theory, we can mention how wilder sparked out arreola and Ruiz went life and death with a much older arreola. So what good is all of this Ruiz technical skills you’re trying to hype up? You’re just trying to justify Aj being beaten into submission by him. There’s a reason Ruiz was a 30-1 underdog Vs Joshua and it’s a combo of Ruiz not being all that good and Joshua being overrated.

[Rodtang]

I already broke down the finances and how the low ball percentage cut is consistently a deal breaker regardless if it’s more money than they’ve made before. Same way wilder would do his biggest numbers vs Aj at the time, Aj would do his highest numbers vs wilder so the cut needs to be better than an 80-20 type of deal. That’s just logic. As far as cowards, so by your logic, wilder fears Aj but is willing to fight fury for a third time when nearly every credible outlet has fury ranked higher than Aj. Especially after seeing how fragile Ajs jaw and and heart are after the Ruiz fight. End of the day, Fury and Wilder facing each other for a third time surpasses any opposition Joshua has faced. That’s why you’re grasping at straws trying to overrate whyte and Ruiz because you’re trying to justify his inferior opposition in comparison to wilder and fury facing each other. The truth is, I’m not a fan of either of the three, I’m basing my points in being a rationale hiding fan. You’re arguing out of emotion because you adore Aj.

Wilder has no numbers. His highest payday was maybe 2 mil vs Ortiz. He was offered 20 mil for a mandatory vs breazeale which took him all no time to dispatch of and to date he's still not gotten that much in any fight he's had so far. So when your offered that and anther 100 mil on top for 2 fights against the top fighter in the division ( which you claim you wanted ) the you damn well better take it, because when you don't, the rest of the world can see what a fraud and a clown you really are. You can come out with all the BS about ranking outlets and fragile jaws and yada yada but if that us the case why not grab that easy money. Keep up the nonsense pal and I'll keep educating you.

[Rodtang]

the relevance of mentioning arreola is I’m pointing out your same triangle theory logic. You want to use a Cunningham fight from 8 yrs ago to assess how fury performs Vs technical boxers but by using that same theory, we can mention how wilder sparked out arreola and Ruiz went life and death with a much older arreola. So what good is all of this Ruiz technical skills you’re trying to hype up? You’re just trying to justify Aj being beaten into submission by him. There’s a reason Ruiz was a 30-1 underdog Vs Joshua and it’s a combo of Ruiz not being all that good and Joshua being overrated.

Your making no sense here. Wilder vs Arreola was nowhere near the type of fight Fury vs Cunningham was. The point I make is Ruiz Jr I feel would outbox Fury. And Then he would adopt the tactics he done in the Cunningham fight. Wilder and Arreola are totally different fighters. Sometimes the best fighter doesn't always win the fight. I'm just giving an opinion on how I feel Ruiz would do against Fury. I'm not even sure AJ necessarily beats Ruiz in a trilogy fight. But I know this. Certain fighters fight the best and others flatter to deceive. And rather than that they should just take the big fight. The fans want it. The money's there. But if it's the the protection your after......

[Noelanthony]

I don’t care to see this fight again but Aj is in this position because of his own doing. Like I said, he tried to pull the mega A star card and both wilder and fury moved on without him to make their first and second fight and he’s been out in the cold ever since. You can use that “he was offered more money” argument with someone who does know any better but just because it was more money doesn’t mean it was a fair cut. Before pac fought mayweather, he was offered more money than he’s ever made but declined because it wasn’t a fair cut. He ended up making 3 times as much when the fight happened. Same exact scenario with ggg when Oscar tried to offer him a flat fee to fight canelo. When the fight happened, ggg made more than double the offer. Low ball offers are either a way to short change one fighter to give another a much larger cut or a way to avoid a fight but pretend you’re not.

I'm not dis*****g what you are saying in regards to the initial offers they were paltry .even as an AJ fan i can accept that but Aj went 40% with DEONTAY and even 50/50 with FURY you cant say he was not pushing those fights based on the percentages

[Jab jab boom]

Your making no sense here. Wilder vs Arreola was nowhere near the type of fight Fury vs Cunningham was. The point I make is Ruiz Jr I feel would outbox Fury. And Then he would adopt the tactics he done in the Cunningham fight. Wilder and Arreola are totally different fighters. Sometimes the best fighter doesn't always win the fight. I'm just giving an opinion on how I feel Ruiz would do against Fury. I'm not even sure AJ necessarily beats Ruiz in a trilogy fight. But I know this. Certain fighters fight the best and others flatter to deceive. And rather than that they should just take the big fight. The fans want it. The money's there. But if it's the the protection your after......

so Ruiz could barely outbox arreola but can outbox fury? Lmaooooooooooooooooooo. Guy, Cunningham was a cruiserweight with cruiserweight movement. Ruiz is stuck in cement. The only similarity is height and maybe hand speed. Horrible comparison.
The fact that you think you’re educating someone with this nonsense you write is laughable. I’m wondering if you even follow boxing or if you’re just an Aj groupie. You’re actually arguing that a short fat hamburgler can out box fury who is the consensus best heavyweight boxer of this generation. You’re also trying to convince me that fury and wilder who are about to face each other for a third time actually fear Joshua who was knocked into submission, has been fighting guys like pulev and is now fighting a blown up cruiser. Have some sense. You’re clearly delusional and are only speaking out of unconditional Joshua groupie love.

[Sid-Knee]

He and Hearn were totally downplaying any possibility of that happening until Fury took the bull by the horns and set up the Wilder fight. It was only after he outboxed Wilder in the1st and obliterated him in the 2nd, that they realized that they had no choice. Politics is a *****.

That's actually a lie. Hearn offered Fury a 3 fight contract with the 3rd fight being AJ. Fury said he wasn't ready for AJ and needed tune ups before thinking about that fight. Then over a week later, Fury announces the Wilder fight and starts slandering AJ again. Nobody even knew about the Wilder fight until later on. It all came about so fast.

There's video footage on Youtube that exposes your lies. But it's what i've come to expect. When you follow a pathological liar, you as fans have to lie with him to keep up.