Comments Thread For: Oscar Valdez on Conceicao: You Can't Win a Fight Running Like That!

[The Big Dunn]

His only wins of merit are a past prime fighter in Quigg who looked like shlt being with Roach, and a good fighter in Berchelt. How is that "Trending that way"???

He couldn't be further from the HOF even if he tried to be. Not at any point was Valdez looking like he was heading there. That's legitimately insane. You need a lot more wins over world class fighters to be there. Valdez never showed me he had the capabilities to come close. He got Berchelt who had serious problems with a fighter who could move. That's why he ducked both Loma and Herring. Berchelt went after ropey fighters who stood in front of him at the tail end of their career in Vargas and Miura. That's all he did. I thought Valdez would lose the second he fought a good world class fighter at 130 who he didn't have a clear stylistic advantage over. Turns out all he had to do was fight a decent fighter to be dominated. This is the end of the road for him i'm afraid. Stevenson will finish what's left of his career. Valdez will become nothing but a stepping stone until he decides he doesn't want to lose for a small pay cheque so retires.

I think you’re overly focused on the word “trending”.

He’s obviously going to move up. So if he fought and defeated all the people at 130-140 that he could I think he’d be a lock.

[Sid-Knee]

You ******** idiot!!! Valdez knocked berchelt out no judges needed. How can you compare that terrible performance by concenciao to possibly the knockout of the year?! ******** re.tard

I know he knocked him out you doughnut. But he was moving on the backfoot all night like Conceicao did against him. So Valdez is basically saying he shouldn't have deserved the decision had he not knocked him out. Which would be deranged because even without the KD's and the KO, he dominated. Conceicao did the same, just without any KD's and a KO.

You know he lost that fight in a big way. But you lot have no honour or integrity. You're just mouthy frauds who need a good slap. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Sid-Knee]

I think you’re overly focused on the word “trending”.

He’s obviously going to move up. So if he fought and defeated all the people at 130-140 that he could I think he’d be a lock.

Dunn, he isn't good enough to beat all those fighters. He's never looked like having the potential to do so. That's why i said it's crazy to ever think he'd be getting anywhere near close to being anywhere near the HOF. Not once has he looked likely. Even less so now.

[The Big Dunn]

Dunn, he isn't good enough to beat all those fighters. He's never looked like having the potential to do so. That's why i said it's crazy to ever think he'd be getting anywhere near close to being anywhere near the HOF. Not once has he looked likely. Even less so now.

We agree to disagree.

[Robi13]

I know he knocked him out you doughnut. But he was moving on the backfoot all night like Conceicao did against him. So Valdez is basically saying he shouldn't have deserved the decision had he not knocked him out. Which would be deranged because even without the KD's and the KO, he dominated. Conceicao did the same, just without any KD's and a KO.

You know he lost that fight in a big way. But you lot have no honour or integrity. You're just mouthy frauds who need a good slap. I'm embarrassed for you.

Don’t worry about me or us Mexicans worry about your damn self! And it wasn’t the same you doughnut hole, Valdez was boxing Berchelt beautifully and knocked him out because he was actually making him miss and Pat not just running like the Brazilian, yes the Brazilian had some good rounds specially early but you can’t give him the last half of the fight if all he did was make him miss and not make him pay… Valdez made the champ pay when he was the challenger and took it too And from the champ! Concencciao did not!

[Blond Beast]

"Just using it to make weight" is cheating. If he can't make weight legitimately, he should move up a weight class....but then he'd be at a disadvantage. There are weight classes for a reason.

Well it turns out it in the end it was ruled it wasen’t cheating…
But yes of course I get your point. I’m just saying if he missed weight he would have paid a fine and then the fight would have gone on anyway most likely. Yes the belt would have been vacated still. So I understand that. I just think him making weight is better than the alternative. It’s also prize fighting and everything is negotiable almost. Hell Two judges with the same score usually disagree on a lot of rounds but it’s sold as them seeing the same fight. It’s a cancel culture world out there now. Imagine fights being even harder to make then they are now? This sport will be taken away from us eventually. Plug the latest politics into this sport and no fights will ever be made. Neutral ground fights by law. A female fight for every male fight on a card. Then representation issues. Equal pay. Etc. My point is if two people can agree to fight then im all for it.

[wrecksracer]

Well it turns out it in the end it was ruled it wasen’t cheating…
But yes of course I get your point. I’m just saying if he missed weight he would have paid a fine and then the fight would have gone on anyway most likely. Yes the belt would have been vacated still. So I understand that. I just think him making weight is better than the alternative. It’s also prize fighting and everything is negotiable almost. Hell Two judges with the same score usually disagree on a lot of rounds but it’s sold as them seeing the same fight. It’s a cancel culture world out there now. Imagine fights being even harder to make then they are now? This sport will be taken away from us eventually. Plug the latest politics into this sport and no fights will ever be made. Neutral ground fights by law. A female fight for every male fight on a card. Then representation issues. Equal pay. Etc. My point is if two people can agree to fight then im all for it.

The WBC ruled it wasn't cheating to preserve the fight. Valdez was dropped from the Ring ratings for cheating. I guess it depends on your perspective.

[Blond Beast]

The WBC ruled it wasn't cheating to preserve the fight. Valdez was dropped from the Ring ratings for cheating. I guess it depends on your perspective.

Love me some Hawk Time BTW. I totally get your point. You aren’t wrong. I just know it’s hard enough to make fights as it is. Eventually something you tweeted as a teenager ten years ago will get your title shot cancelled. The one perspective I like to give is how low blows are no big deal but someone on peds is going to kill someone. People who have never done peds are the biggest promoters of it. They think you can kill someone with one punch if on any sort of peds. It’s ridiculous. The act like it improves skill, eyesight, coordination, etc. But people have no problem with a top guy taking a tune up against a journeyman who gets blown out in one round. When the best take peds it’s pilling on for sure. But for all those people who think if they only took some peds they’d be a champion are full of it. Do people really think a pro bodybuilder is going to hit more home runs than Barry Bonds cause they are on ten times the gear? I’m all for a level playing field. But there’s hundreds of millions contracts at stake in sports, All the guys who have never done Peds telling everyone it will make you a Superman are just promoting the stuff and are full of ****. It’s not skill in a bottle. I just think promoting thrm as a miracle is counter productive.

[Sid-Knee]

Don’t worry about me or us Mexicans worry about your damn self! And it wasn’t the same you doughnut hole, Valdez was boxing Berchelt beautifully and knocked him out because he was actually making him miss and Pat not just running like the Brazilian, yes the Brazilian had some good rounds specially early but you can’t give him the last half of the fight if all he did was make him miss and not make him pay… Valdez made the champ pay when he was the challenger and took it too And from the champ! Concencciao did not!

Conceicao was boxing beautifully too. And was making Valdez miss all night for shlts and giggles. Valdez barely landed anything of note all night. He did the same thing Valdez did to Berchelt but without the KD's and the KO. To suggest he didn't make Valdez miss and be made to look like an amateur is preposterous. You're talking nothing but pure madness. Valdez was on the move all night. In fact, he was moving at a faster pace than the Brazilian. Conceicao was controlling the pace and the ring better than Valdez did against Berchelt.

A child could have given a better argument than this. You are denying reality by what you're saying. It makes no sense at all. And for what? Nationalism? Valdez isn't even Mexican, he's American. Like you. Jeez.

[LeOoze]

We agree to disagree.

You think Valdez has the skills/potential to? Think he gets knocked out by Ryan Garcia at this point. Prograis would put him to sleep too.