Comments Thread For: David Haye: Joshua Will Knock Oleksandr Usyk Out With a Jab!

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  • SN!PER
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    #31
    Better finish him early. Don't mess around.

    Even if Usyk can't stop him, he can steal the rounds away in the second half of the fight.

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    • kafkod
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      #32
      AJ wouldn't even need to land his jab to KO Usyk. The draft from a missed punch would be enough!

      Usyk isn't a HW, he's a tiny little lilliputian midget. A giant like AJ could huff and puff and blow him clean out of the ring. Will it count as a KO if AJ flattens Usyk without even touching him?

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      • alexjust
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        #33
        Originally posted by roscoe
        David Haye was a spectacular fighter and a great Cruiserweight Unified Champion. But as an analyst and predictor of fight outcomes all serious observers know he has been much less impressive. For example his predicting Wilder would beat Fury. The problem with Haye's analyses is they are too simplistic, meaning they take into account too few factors to get the predictions right. As usual his analysis of Usyk versus A.J. is correct as far as it goes - lacking the power of the huge men, it will be hard for the smaller Usyk to keep the larger, stronger man at distance says Haye, so he predicts A.J. will win. But he fails to take into account that Usyk has been playing a strategic psychological game with A.J. which includes not showing all his strength and all his repertoire in the fights leading up to his clash with the Heavyweight Champion. Usyk knows A.J. is studying these fights to develop his game plan for fighting him, and he has been deliberately hiding some of his repertoire to mislead the Champion. People like Haye who don't have Usyk's chess playing mentality, don't strategise long term to the same degree Usyk does won't recognise that Usyk is fighting in such a way as to mislead A.J. The result will be the Usyk who shows up for the A.J. showdown will not be the one A.J. is expecting - that is a key part of the Usyk strategy that Haye has not recognised and so has not taken into account in his analysis that guides his prediction. Whether Usyk can defeat the Champion remains to be seen. But he will have created an element of surprise that gives an advantage which often leads to victory in war. The Usyk fight with A.J. will be a war - a mental and physical war between two boxers - and it will be very interesting to see if A.J. can adjust to the surprises which are coming his way, or whether Usyk will use them to such advantage that A.J. will be thrown off balance and lose. I can hardly wait for the bell which will start this Boxing Chess Game. I think it will be a great fight.
        I was reading your post with interest until you went into a groundless conspiracy theory about Usyk intentionally misleading AJ by diminishing his own skills. And this is where I'd turn your own analysis against you. Your explanation is very simplistic and fails to account for other factors. For one, your hypothesis has no basis on merit and, as far as I can tell, is based only on assumption. Or even wishful thinking. You see something (i.e. not super impressive Usyk vs 2 HW that he fought) and you immediately explain it by a hypothesis that fits your own preference - i.e., that Usyk's skills are not any worse, he's only pretending. Why would this assumption be the best? What if Usyk is no longer the same Usyk of 2017-2018? He got heavier, older (well in 34 now). What if this is a natural decline for him? Age affects boxers very differently and individually. There is no proven matrix here to reference. Compare Tyson's form at 34 and Klitschko's at 41 vs AJ. Yes, both were past their primes, but Tyson was a mere shadow of himself while Wlad was a diminished version, but Wlad did not decline as much as Tyson in proportion to their skills. What if Usyk has just declined and it's hard for us to openly admit it?

        P.S. I completely disagree with Haye's analysis that AJ will, essentially, walk through Usyk, but I won't give Usyk upper hand either. Especially if it goes to scorecards. There is no way AJ, one of the few mega stars of boxing (and creme de la creme of boxing in Britain), will lose to Usyk on scorecards. In Britain for crying out loud. And Usyk will not dominate him so obviously that awarding AJ with a win would be such a robbery that AJ's mom would tell AJ to DHL belts to Usyk in Ukraine.

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        • alexjust
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          #34
          Originally posted by kafkod
          AJ wouldn't even need to land his jab to KO Usyk. The draft from a missed punch would be enough!

          Usyk isn't a HW, he's a tiny little lilliputian midget. A giant like AJ could huff and puff and blow him clean out of the ring. Will it count as a KO if AJ flattens Usyk without even touching him?
          Easy there, tiger, don't smoke so much and so early in the day. Yes, Usyk will be knocked out in his dressing room just by looking at footage of AJ - that's how powerful AJ is. A real Thanos. The Hulk. The Godzilla. And definitely don't mix whatever you smoke with alcohol or it will make you delirious to the extent that you'll say the Canelo's draw scorecard vs Floyd was fair.

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          • ThunderFists
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            #35
            This guy is straight up sucking on AJ's cxck. He's always hated usyk because it hurts him to hear usyk and holyfield are the best ever cws. I saw this guy in his rolls royce the other day in central with some lady that 100% wasn't his wife. I also do work with a semi famous comedian who is hayes mate. He told me haye bought a house where he would just use to cheat on his wife. Sleazeball

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            • CornerCutman
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              #36
              Better a jab than being knocked out by your own big toe

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              • Stuart Chandler
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                #37
                Originally posted by ThunderFists
                This guy is straight up sucking on AJ's cxck. He's always hated usyk because it hurts him to hear usyk and holyfield are the best ever cws. I saw this guy in his rolls royce the other day in central with some lady that 100% wasn't his wife. I also do work with a semi famous comedian who is hayes mate. He told me haye bought a house where he would just use to cheat on his wife. Sleazeball
                You’re just jealous he has options .

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                • ThunderFists
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Stuart Chandler

                  You’re just jealous he has options .
                  ok stuart chandler. What retirement home are you currently typing this from?

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                  • BangEM
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Noelanthony

                    Once Usyk gets ****** in the face by the first right hand his chess mentality will be knocked out of his head and all he will remember is how to play dominoes
                    This is hilarious.

                    Not saying I agree with Haye because he has been saying a lot of outlandish things lately and it looks like he’s trying to sway Josh to get him a big money gig.

                    However, like Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. A Southpaw like Usyk that gets hit easily in the HW division based on his 2 previous fights is gonna get ****** with a straight right down the pipe. And Josh is the most accurate HW and his punches are always tight and narrow - not wide and reckless like a lot of these boxers.

                    Usyk has also bulked up for the fight and he’s looking for a KO. And that’s what will ruin him. Josh just needs to come in between 240-245 and he shouldn’t have any problems getting rid of Usyk.

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                    • BangEM
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Slowhand

                      Papachenko was with Usyk vs Gassiev, and that was a near perfect 12 rds against a monster puncher. And Usyk has only gained 10-15 lbs, he just doesn´t cut.
                      So, a caveman like Glassiev is AJ.

                      Fight is going to be similar to Teo vs Loma albeit with a KO for Josh. Once he feels the power - he’s going to start running until the late rds.

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