Comments Thread For: Roach on Mayweather's 50-0 Run: Pacquiao Had Better Quality of Wins

[Amir Imam]

It’s crazy how Floyd only fought two guys coming of losses and only fought for 2 vacant title his entire career. Manny fought like 10 guys coming of losses and for 8 vacant titles. Floyd fought in less catchweights and fought more opponents with 30+ KOs

[GrandpaBernard]

Uh no manny had his azz conquered twice by both his biggest rivals

Marquez and Floyd

Floyd usually beat the better version of their mutual opponents too

[Amir Imam]

I think this is simple and theres more or less no arguement to be had but people are so biased and ignorant. Floyd was a better defensive boxer and better business man. Manny is the better offensive boxer, with a better legacy. Floyd was undefeated, while Manny took some Ls along the way.. Floyd went from 130 to 154 though Nelo fight was 152 bull****. Manny came up from 108lbs... and needed to put rocks in his pants to make weight. No one in history has gone from 108 all the way to 147... and continued to campaign at 147 his entire career. We give Mayweather borderline no credit for the JMM win but his narrow beating of Pacquiao is his ultimate feather in his hat? Floyd should've won, hes naturally bigger, been at welterweight longer and is the better defensive boxer. Honestly that was a close ass fight and could've been a draw.. defintely warranted a rematch and Mayweather never did, as lame as that was.

It's really easy and I dont know why it's up for debate. 8 weight class champion versus 5 weight class champion. Manny wins, he went up 3 more divisions and beat the best while doing so. Wasnt no nonsense. Floyd never went to middleweight, otherwise he'd have a strong argument for GOAT. But he didnt, so he doesn't. Simple as that. Duran went to middleweight. Theres also a few boxers Mayweather should've faced but didnt, William's, Wright to name a few... Pacwuiao doesn't have many boxers he shouldve faced but didnt, I cant name any off the top, i may be wrong. Pacman has the Better legacy. JMM x4 3Ws, and came back from that brutal KO.. when everyone demanded he retire. Dude beat Thurman 2 years ago lol. Morales x3, 2Ws TKO/KO, Barrera x2, TKO/UD, etc... Bradley x2 (should've been x3), Thruman, Diaz, Broner, Ledwaba, Margarito, Moseley, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, etc. Floyd retired in 2017 and his last fight was Berto.... manny destroyed everyone Floyd fought. Manny is fighting in 2021. His last fight was a close W over Keith Thurman in 2019 where he dropped Thurman. Just that fact alone is a better legacy IMO. Who **** cares if you never lost if you didnt fight the best at the best time? Yeah both guys took some fighters at ample opportunities to win, but that's boxing. Mayweather never fought Thurman... he was mandatory and ranked #1 in the WBA, Thurman was hunting Floyd then he was upgraded to Super Champ and no more mandos. Essentially a duck. Then fought Maidana x2.. almost lost to Maidana in theb1st fight. I personally scored that a narrow Maidana Win ,Floys lost too many early rounds to win. Literally lost by a point IMO.

An 8 weight class division champion who's still active and fighting the best available means automatically higher ranked than Floyd. It's literally that simple. No hate on Floyd though hes a piece of ****. Guys one of the best ever. But hes not the best ever... Pacquiao has a strong claim IMO as the GOAT... especially if he ends up fighting Spence, Crawford or Thurman again. It's like sealed the deal status at that point. Him beating Spence would've kinda sealed it but we all know what happened with that. Man down, lol.

He had to fight the same 3-4 guys 12 times because he couldn’t get a decisive win over them. A trilogy with Tim Bradley? That’s not impressive. If the Nelo fight was BS then Pacquiao - Margarito was extra BS. Canelo Vs Floyd was a bigger challenge, a more fair fight and no fake vacant belts. Didn’t Manny fight Marquez at catchweight as well? So if Floyd’s fight against Marquez don’t count neither does Pacquiao. Floyd has a better legacy and it’s obvious as he’s had the better career professionally and business wise.
Funny you all say Pacquiao will be remembered as a legend for his legacy and Mayweather won’t be talked about. But Mayweather to this day is still more popular and more successful. Pacquiao is rarely mentioned unless it’s about Floyd.
You say he almost lost to Madaina but Pacquiao actually lost to a guy with 16 fights and some people scored Thurman Pacquiao for Thurman.

[Toyman]

floyd's 50-0 run also includes his numerous red flags for peds, a special relationship with usada that allowed him to control testing and worst of all, a verified IV level well above the legal threshold (so egregious, he needed to get a retroactive TUE).

furthermore, it includes very questionable "wins"

- outboxed and outlanded by one armed manny - most netural fans agree manny won or at least drew that fight. (could also throw in that injured manny was not allowed a legal painkiller, whereas this is the 1 fight where there is undeniable proof floyd was iv-enhanced).

- life and death with maidana twice.

-questionable split decision win over de la hoya.

-gift decision win over jose luis castillo



also worth mentioning he was outboxed by 0-1 youtuber and an amateur at the olympics

[NachoMan]

Floyd beat Pacquiao. Enough said.

Pat Lawlor beat Duran...and Camacho.

[Amir Imam]

floyd's 50-0 run also includes his numerous red flags for peds, a special relationship with usada that allowed him to control testing and worst of all, a verified IV level well above the legal threshold (so egregious, he needed to get a retroactive TUE).

furthermore, it includes very questionable "wins"

- outboxed and outlanded by one armed manny - most netural fans agree manny won or at least drew that fight. (could also throw in that injured manny was not allowed a legal painkiller, whereas this is the 1 fight where there is undeniable proof floyd was iv-enhanced).

- life and death with maidana twice.

-questionable split decision win over de la hoya.

-gift decision win over jose luis castillo



also worth mentioning he was outboxed by 0-1 youtuber and an amateur at the olympics

He had every drug in the book in his system. What else did he need? If this was an American fighter the commission would have pressed perjury charges. Manny got off lucky.

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And no government certified entity (USADA)would ever risk federal jail time, decertification, and a career loss for some black loud mouth boxer. They went after Lance Armstrong a cancer survivor/hero but not Floyd? Yeah right. If they had any shred of evidence they wouldn’t hesitate to throw him under the jail and the FBI would be all over this just like BALCO.

[Spoon23]

[djtmal]

Uh no manny had his azz conquered twice by both his biggest rivals

Marquez and Floyd

Floyd usually beat the better version of their mutual opponents too

What difference does it make. None of those guys were in their prime.

The best ww Floyd beat in their prime was undefeated Ricky Hatton, and even he was a paper champ who moved up from junior middleweight and arguably lost to a ww contender in his only legit test.

Manny obliterated him in what, two rounds.

[Oregonian]

But the point is, he didn’t actually fight them.
Floyd’s very “could” of done this, and “would” have done that. But that’s not what happened.

pacquiaos resume in the lower weight class is the stuff of legends.

that’s not riding “name value”
that’s the fighters pacquaio actually fought. Floyd did nothing.

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“Stuff of legends”? Really?

PAC made a name for himself with three guys … Barrera, Morales and Marquez
He fought them 9 times.
He lost to Morales once and got plasted by Marquez plus arguably lost at least one of the three fights with Marquez.
Those stats aren’t “stuffs of legends”. That’s an average fighter’s resume. Manny did not dominate Marquez in any of their 4 fights. He lost once to Morales … that’s already more than half of those fights.

If your next argument goest to the 2009-2011 Manny then we’ll just disprove that theory too. Manny fought 6 times in that time frame

Hatton: Floyd had taken his zero.
Cotto: Was robbed by Margarito and weakened by Catchweight.
Clottey: Had lost to Cotto.
Margarito: Destroyed by Mosley a year earlier and weakened by catchweight.
Mosley: Had literally lost to Floyd and drew with Moraa.
Marquez: Arguably lost to Marquez.
He then went on to lose to Bradley and Marquez and magically became no “longer in his prime”.

How can you call that “stuffs of legends”? Now, let’s throw in the Rios, Broner, Vargas, Mathysse fights. Are those “stuffs of legends”?

To be fair, Manny beat Thurman to become the oldest WW champ. That’s something to brag about.

[NachoMan]

Damn, I'm no Floyd fan, but that is the some epic revisionist boxing history right there!