Comments Thread For: Roach on Mayweather's 50-0 Run: Pacquiao Had Better Quality of Wins

[The Big Dunn]

Pacquiao is the former flyweight champion, who was about to step in with the best welterweight in the world. At 42 years old!!!!!!

And Floyd is a former SFW champ that beat the best JMW in the world on 2 separate occasions.

Not the same as Flyweight to 151 but rare and impressive none the less. Right?

[LeOoze]

You could also make an argument about the way Pacquaio beat Oscar and Hatton compared to how Floyd beat them. Pacquaio destroyed them, Floyd didn't.

Any decent 147lber could have destroyed the weight drained and washed ODL that night. Floyd took Hatton’s 0 and also destroyed him. Lol

[Dle]

Roach still haunted by the technical whipping Floyd gave PAC. Most of PACs big name wins we’re pretty-beaten I.e. margarito, Cotto, Hatton, Delahoya, Mosley. Etc., all pre-soaked (softened) Floyd beat more undefeated in prime fighters while they wear riding high in their careers. I like PAC but keeping it real.

[Oregonian]

Whatabout pacquiaos run against the all time greats below lightweight. You know, pacquaio actually fought at a lower weight class than floyd.
pacquiaos resume shts on Floyd.

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Can you name those All Time Greats below lightweight?

[Oregonian]

You could also make an argument about the way Pacquaio beat Oscar and Hatton compared to how Floyd beat them. Pacquaio destroyed them, Floyd didn't.

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No you couldn’t. Oscar was weight drained and weakened at 147.
He fought Floyd at 154 with the ring size he wanted, glove size he chose, ref he selected and judges he appointed. He had all the advantage over Floyd and still lost.
Hatton was undefeated when he fought Floyd. The aura of invincibility was taken away and as always PAC stepped in to beat him.

FYI, Floyd started his career at 130 and Hatton at 140 so Hatton was always the bigger guy. Any excuse about him being smaller than Floyd is hogwash.

[Paperball86]

I think this is simple and theres more or less no arguement to be had but people are so biased and ignorant. Floyd was a better defensive boxer and better business man. Manny is the better offensive boxer, with a better legacy. Floyd was undefeated, while Manny took some Ls along the way.. Floyd went from 130 to 154 though Nelo fight was 152 bull****. Manny came up from 108lbs... and needed to put rocks in his pants to make weight. No one in history has gone from 108 all the way to 147... and continued to campaign at 147 his entire career. We give Mayweather borderline no credit for the JMM win but his narrow beating of Pacquiao is his ultimate feather in his hat? Floyd should've won, hes naturally bigger, been at welterweight longer and is the better defensive boxer. Honestly that was a close ass fight and could've been a draw.. defintely warranted a rematch and Mayweather never did, as lame as that was.

It's really easy and I dont know why it's up for debate. 8 weight class champion versus 5 weight class champion. Manny wins, he went up 3 more divisions and beat the best while doing so. Wasnt no nonsense. Floyd never went to middleweight, otherwise he'd have a strong argument for GOAT. But he didnt, so he doesn't. Simple as that. Duran went to middleweight. Theres also a few boxers Mayweather should've faced but didnt, William's, Wright to name a few... Pacwuiao doesn't have many boxers he shouldve faced but didnt, I cant name any off the top, i may be wrong. Pacman has the Better legacy. JMM x4 3Ws, and came back from that brutal KO.. when everyone demanded he retire. Dude beat Thurman 2 years ago lol. Morales x3, 2Ws TKO/KO, Barrera x2, TKO/UD, etc... Bradley x2 (should've been x3), Thruman, Diaz, Broner, Ledwaba, Margarito, Moseley, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, etc. Floyd retired in 2017 and his last fight was Berto.... manny destroyed everyone Floyd fought. Manny is fighting in 2021. His last fight was a close W over Keith Thurman in 2019 where he dropped Thurman. Just that fact alone is a better legacy IMO. Who **** cares if you never lost if you didnt fight the best at the best time? Yeah both guys took some fighters at ample opportunities to win, but that's boxing. Mayweather never fought Thurman... he was mandatory and ranked #1 in the WBA, Thurman was hunting Floyd then he was upgraded to Super Champ and no more mandos. Essentially a duck. Then fought Maidana x2.. almost lost to Maidana in theb1st fight. I personally scored that a narrow Maidana Win ,Floys lost too many early rounds to win. Literally lost by a point IMO.

An 8 weight class division champion who's still active and fighting the best available means automatically higher ranked than Floyd. It's literally that simple. No hate on Floyd though hes a piece of ****. Guys one of the best ever. But hes not the best ever... Pacquiao has a strong claim IMO as the GOAT... especially if he ends up fighting Spence, Crawford or Thurman again. It's like sealed the deal status at that point. Him beating Spence would've kinda sealed it but we all know what happened with that. Man down, lol.

[Bronx2245]

You could also make an argument about the way Pacquaio beat Oscar and Hatton compared to how Floyd beat them. Pacquaio destroyed them, Floyd didn't.

That's not Freddie's argument. He saying "look when Floyd beat them." Well Floyd beat them first! Floyd fought the better version of Oscar, Hatton, and Mosely! Then beat Canelo and Pacquiao himself! I don't see a scenario for Pacquiao to ever be ranked higher than Mayweather, unless he beat both Spence and Crawford before retiring!

[richardt]

You expect roach to have this opinion. Manny is his top guy and he had a fight coming up so mentioning Floyd is how they gain attention. This happens every time Manny fights.

If roach or Manny fans want to apply the “ when they beat him” standard, that is fine with me.

Just remember when that is applied to Manny, that impacts the Morales wins, the Hatton win, the Shane and odh wins.

It also means that we have to ask when did Manny beat anyone ranked as high p4p as Floyd did when he beat Manny?

The way I see it is - it's not just having the better quality of wins as Roach is trying to say, it is also losses. When I pour the losses and wins into a flask, scientifically speaking, the sum of everything each has accomplished, and yeah, both are clearly such great fighters - but Floyd comes out on top for me. I cannot selectively ignore the losses of a fighter for the sake of itemizing only the wins and opponents. When distilling everything, for me, Floyd wins overall, and then on top of that, he defeated Pac.

[b Murphington]

Styles make fights and Floyd's got that running and ducking style down pat.

Floyd beat Pacquiao. Enough said.

[hugh grant]

Floyd beat better versions of DLH, Hatton, Mosley, and Cotto,

Only in your opinion, the opinion you arrived at because Floyd makes common opponents look better.