Those of you who scored the fight for Casimero, explain why?

[-Kev-]

Rigondeaux literally ran backwards at one point. I was amazed at how fast he can run backwards. It takes a lot of talent and strong core. When I saw him actually run away from Casimeiro, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.

“Running” is used for banter among fans who hate defensive fighters. Often, fans exaggerate and label a fighter a runner even if the fighter landed more punches and landed the better punches and was actually quite active.

But in this fight, Rigondeaux can literally be seen running backwards. Rigondeaux quite clearly “ran” in this one.

The Golden Boy, cash cow of the late 90s through mid 2000s, was not awarded the Win over Trinidad. DLH, knowing he was up clearly, decided to disengage and stopped throwing punches for the last 3 rounds. The scorecards being as close as they were, showed that if DLH decided to close out strong, he may have won.

Rigondeaux, for almost the entire fight, fought Casimeiro like DLH fought Trinidad in rounds 10 through 12 of their fight in 1999.

Whether you are as exciting as DLH generally was, or as boring and shy as Rigondeaux was, judges will likely not give you rounds for not engaging.

In recent years, there are a few examples of fighters who had good defense/being elusive while also showing judges better offense than their opponent.

Wlad
Mayweather
Lonachenko
Ward
Hopkins
Usyk
Canelo
Vitali
etc

These fighters know/knew how to minimize punches thrown and landed on them while also showing superior offensive abilities. Rigondeaux failed to do that tonight. He did the defense part only, and left his offense in his car or home or something.

[PBR Streetgang]

I thought Rigo won it but neither really deserved to win it. A draw would have been fine. To me Rigo landed the harder, cleaner shots although there were very few between either fighter over the course of the fight.

I thought Casimero tried but really showed his limitations. I think Rigo realized the Filipino fighter was strong and powerful early on went on his bike.

As for the scoring criteria, defense is just defense. Not getting hit. Resisting your opponent's attack either by movement or blocking/parrying shots. When I throw a successful counter after I avoid your punch, that is a different criteria (hard clean punches).

I am not a fan of Rigo, I find his style incredibly boring and frustrating and have no desire to see him on another televised bout but I thought he won the fight.

[blowblow]

floyd did the same thing vs pac and pac landed all the clean punches. admit it. the onlyyyyy difference is floyd had the political power behind him

this is true and MF syndicates don't give a damn for rigo... he deserve to lose.. boring fighter should be banned in the ring..

[strykr619]

Casimero fought the way Rigo wanted him to fight, notnthe other way around. That's ring genralship.

Defense is making your opponent miss and not letting him touch you. It's not like that idiotic basketball analogy you came up with. Another point for Rigo.

Effective aggression. Casimero was more aggressive, but he wasn't effective. Rigo was effective, but he wasn't aggressive. Draw

Hard and clean punches - definitely Rigo. Casimero looked like Wilder in there at times when he swung his punches in the air.

So that's 3 to nothing for Rigo.

But there's also the fifth criteria, not hurting the fans' feelings. It's worth 10 points and Casimero won that one so overall 10-3 for Casimero.

LOL you clearly have never watched a Casimero fight, that is his style, Defense isn't being on your back foot all night thou.

YOU CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED THE AGRESSOR if your backpedaling thru the whole fight.

Rigo thru harder and cleaner punches? LOL none of them thru clean punches but Rigo was running because Casimero was the harder puncher.

Casimero will never be great because he just doesn't know how to cut off a ring but last night he was the winner even thou that fight was GARBAGE.

[paulf]

Exactly. Boxing is a sport and has rules.

And if we go by those rules then he won this fight.

You said he barely landed anything, which is true, but so did Casimero. I clearly stated that as far the effective aggression goes, neither of them ws the better man. Luckily, we still have 3 more criterias. Can you honestly say Casimero was better in them than Rigo?

If my case is weak then what is yours? You can't have it both ways.

Yeah. Easily. No one landed any punches because Rigo didn’t want to fight.

Scoring is subjective, but even more so when guys are landing between 1-5 punches a round. Judges can give it to whoever they want. No one did anything. If a judge had scored every round 9-9, there would be no convincing argument they are wrong.

Aren’t you embarrassed to be trying to make this argument? It’s a real terrible one.

You agree no one landed anything the whole fight.... yet Rigo was robbed? Hilarious.

[STREET CLEANER]

Rigo avoided to fight all night. That was not defense that was running and holding. Lara tried to do the same with Canelo and lost avoiding to fight. Rigo might have outskilled Casi but did not want to fight. Rigo uses all his skills to stink up the place.

[Szef]

LOL you clearly have never watched a Casimero fight, that is his style, Defense isn't being on your back foot all night thou.

YOU CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED THE AGRESSOR if your backpedaling thru the whole fight.

Rigo thru harder and cleaner punches? LOL none of them thru clean punches but Rigo was running because Casimero was the harder puncher.

Casimero will never be great because he just doesn't know how to cut off a ring but last night he was the winner even thou that fight was GARBAGE.

If you don't think Rigo threw the harder and cleaner punches then we have nothing else to discuss.

You didn't watch the fight.

[MONGOOSE66]

Im not particularly fond of Cas. but he should of won cause Rigo was not BOXING. He was running. He doesnt have it in him to want to whip no one. Self preservation is very strong in him. Wrong sport for him to be in.

[Szef]

Yeah. Easily. No one landed any punches because Rigo didn’t want to fight.

Scoring is subjective, but even more so when guys are landing between 1-5 punches a round. Judges can give it to whoever they want. No one did anything. If a judge had scored every round 9-9, there would be no convincing argument they are wrong.

Aren’t you embarrassed to be trying to make this argument? It’s a real terrible one.

You agree no one landed anything the whole fight.... yet Rigo was robbed? Hilarious.

You said Casimero won because he landed more punches and that's why he won, which as the stats show was not the case.

Why would I be embarrassed? I'm trying to look at this fight objectively despite not enjoying it one bit.

Your and the rest of the guys argument is that Rigo lost because his style is boring. He was better defensively, landed the cleaner and harder punches and had his opponent fight his fight but still he lost the fight because he's boring.

Rigo is just held to a different standard than most of his opponents, except Loma. He has to fight at 100% of his ability. Anything less than that and he's boring,not as good a people say, blah blah.

If your scorecard really was 5-1 Casimero after 6 rounds then you're just not objective. End of the conversation.

[paulf]

You said Casimero won because he landed more punches and that's why he won, which as the stats show was not the case.

Why would I be embarrassed? I'm trying to look at this fight objectively despite not enjoying it one bit.

Your and the rest of the guys argument is that Rigo lost because his style is boring. He was better defensively, landed the cleaner and harder punches and had his opponent fight his fight but still he lost the fight because he's boring.

Rigo is just held to a different standard than most of his opponents, except Loma. He has to fight at 100% of his ability. Anything less than that and he's boring,not as good a people say, blah blah.

If your scorecard really was 5-1 Casimero after 6 rounds then you're just not objective. End of the conversation.

I don't want Rigo to fight 100% of his ability. He is using 100% of his ability right now and if all boxers fought like that, this sport wouldn't exist.

I want the networks to do the same thing they did to Wladimir Klitschko and stop airing his fights if he is going to fight this way. It's detrimental to the sport.