Does anyone give Vergil Ortiz a good shot at beating Crawford

[Thuglife Nelo]

Crawford and Ortiz both had a hard time with Kavaliauskas.

Is Kavaliauskas actually good or are Crawford and Ortiz overrated? I wonder how would Pacquiao, Spence or Porter deal with Mean machine.

In your previous posts you said Mean Machine was going to beat Ortiz…lol

Bud and Ortiz didn’t “struggle” with Mean Machine. It is they lost some rounds against the Lithuanian and mistakes that got them clipped. They both adjusted and finished him off. “Struggling” would be neck to neck rounds each time and making constant mistakes. The difference between Bud and Ortiz is that the young Mexican takes more risks to swing wild for the KO, for the fans, and fresh dog in him whereas Bud could just take his time and let Mean Machine gas out the later rounds and pounce.

[ReggieKray]

I personally don't think he is ready for Crawford. I also think the Garcia's are trash trainers. Virgil need to go to team Canelo and learn head movement and a little more polished body work.

If Virgil does this he'll be unstoppable.

[PBR Streetgang]

Crawford and Ortiz both had a hard time with Kavaliauskas.

Is Kavaliauskas actually good or are Crawford and Ortiz overrated? I wonder how would Pacquiao, Spence or Porter deal with Mean machine.

I've seen alot of people, to include boxing writers, say they think Mean Machine is either underrated or overrated.

I think he's a very tough opponent because of his technique, timing, strength and power. He looks for a punch or mistake to counter and then launches an attack.

He's willing to go out on his shield which means he will have his moments in fights, even against the top level of opposition, but will ultimately get stopped.

Ray Robinson was able to outbox MM, Zewski was able to do the same before he got tired, sloppy and was clipped.

[PBR Streetgang]

I like Ortiz. Hard to say if he is ready but he has time on his side. Skills and talent, I think he's ready but perhaps a bit more experience and seasoning would benefit him. Perhaps a fight with someone who is a durable boxer that could extend him the distance would be beneficial.

One of the problems with guys who have overwhelming offensive skills and stop everybody is that they rob themselves of certain learning experiences early in their development. I'd think I'd like to know how it feels to go into the championship rounds before I am doing it with a guy like Crawford or Spence.

[Mister Wolf]

I would like to see if Ortiz can establish his jab against Crawford's southpaw stance. Brook was busting Crawford up with his piston jab and as soon as Crawford turned southpaw it got neutralized.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Be harder for Verg to sign Bud than it would be to beat him. Bud the latest PrimaDonna in boxing...
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[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Crawford and Ortiz both had a hard time with Kavaliauskas.

Is Kavaliauskas actually good or are Crawford and Ortiz overrated? I wonder how would Pacquiao, Spence or Porter deal with Mean machine.

Mean Machine is not a 12 round fighter. I said that during the Crawford fight he gassed badly by the end of round 5. Mean Machine has decent timing and above average pop on his punches. He is slow of foot with average handspeed, and his body is as soft as a marshmallow and his stamina is dog****.

Spence would handily beat him due to his body attack qnd unlimited gas tank, more likely stop him earlier than Crawford or Ortiz did because he focuses on the body the entire fight, Crawford didn't start focusing on his.body until around round 5 and Ortiz didn't until round 6, but as soon as you attack Mean Machine's body he is gonna go down. Pac and Porter would simply overwhelm him Mean Machine wouldn't be able to keep up with them.

I could see Mean Machine being a very tough night at the office for Danny Garcia maybe, he could beat Ugas maybe. I just don’t think the guy is built to be a 12 round fighter at the championship level. All the flaws he showed against Splenda Ray Robinson are still there and apparently aren't going anywhere, he is a 6 round fighter.

[The Big Dunn]

This thread is a clear case of over reaction coupled with hate.

Vergil is a good up and coming boxer but he isn’t ready for Crawford. Posters do this weird thing where they judge all of Crawford’s opponents by his ww resume.

Crawford dominated indongo and postol when they were more proven world class fighters than Vergil.
Too many posters judge those wins where those guys are now, not where they were when they fought him.

I think that is a mistake.

[Clegg]

I'd pick Crawford, but Ortiz has an excellent chance. I think at this point in time Ortiz wants it more. Crawford seems frustrated at times, bored at times, Ortiz is going to make it a tough brutal fight and test Crawford in a lot of ways. Right now though I just think Ortiz can be hit a bit too easily and Crawford has those surprising shots he catches guys with like vs Brook. Ortiz is a harder fight than Porter imo.

[KillaMane26]

A great shot by default, he the best guy he fought in almost a decade.

But imo TC stops him after a tough fight