Does anyone give Vergil Ortiz a good shot at beating Crawford

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  • JakeTheBoxer
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    #31
    Crawford is probably too much for Ortiz. too much experience and skills. Ortiz was never there with a champ who will not just try to survive.

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    • baroidi
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      #32
      I was impressed by his performance last night, a little wild but solid jab and power. I'd pick him over Crawfish

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      • STREET CLEANER
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        #33
        Virgil has a fantastic jab, speed, accuracy and power. Got to see him with someone that can move to see how he cuts the ring and how effective his output will be. But he has enough skills to go at Crawford at this point. He listened to his corner after getting buzzed and had the right punch selection.

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        • Sctrojan
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          #34
          It's a great fight and can see it going both ways. Kava,the guy who's been in there with both,stated Vergil is more powerful and has a far better jab than Bud and I suspect a sturdier chin than him as well. He took that hard clean uppercut from Kava in the 2nd pretty well,stunned but didn't lose his legs or anything and went back into that fire,although that could've cost him. Corner gave him great instructions in between those rounds and told him he "has to be smarter" and to set up Kava instead of getting into a fire fight which is exactly what he did. Great power,hard piston like jab like Gennady,good ring IQ,youth,hunger....so yea I'd say he has as good a shot as anyone ton pull it off....future is bright for Ortiz!

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          • dan_cov
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            #35
            If he fights like his usual self then I give him some sort of shot but if he tries being technical and fights a slower paced boxing match then I feel that just plays into Crawfords hands.

            If he comes out behind the jab looking to box and take his time I think Crawford will pick him apart.
            If he fights like he usually does coming in behind that long, raking jab and fighting with such intensity and is absolutely relentless with his pressure and doesn't allow Crawford time to think and set traps and shows almost a disregard for his skills and ability I think he cause all sorts of problems.

            A lot will say that Ortiz needs to be more technical, use his jab fight long and be more defensively responsible and all that but against a lot of the top WWs I don't think that is the best form of action. Its his workrate, an unusual intensity - this guy just sees red, he is a cold blooded killer and that is what makes him so good.
            Its his pressure, intelligent pressure behind that stiff, hard jab, that workrate and not letting his opponent think or breathe that is what makes him special. Its that these guys are going to really struggle with. Being forced to fight at a pace they're not used to, being maneuvered (sp) and having to deal with punches in bunches to head and body.
            You've got to stick it on someone Crawford otherwise you just end up playing into his hands.

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            • MONGOOSE66
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              #36
              Originally posted by MikeyMike100
              Would anyone pick him to beat Terence Crawford?
              NOPE……………….too damn predictable. Falls into Crawfords game.

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              • dan_cov
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                #37
                I think that is what makes Ortiz special coupled with decent fundamentals and ability is his anger. His intensity.
                Its almost prime Tyson esque.

                That anger, that hatred is something so few people have or lose when they get hit, they'll calm down. You hit this mofo he gets angrier.
                We can talk about defense and being smart etc but you have to realise when it gets to this firstly he is still being defensively responsible and not abandoning his fundamentals or neglecting the basics plus they are then fighting him at his own game. That is his strength and their ultimate weakness.
                They don't have the size, power, the head, the stamina, the ferocity to stand with this guy or to have a dog fight.

                I really hope RG doesn't try tame him and take away what makes him so dangerous. Yes he can box but its not what makes him so effective and problematic.

                The guys an animal that is why we love him and that is what if anything will get him to the top.

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                • Zaryu
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                  #38
                  I'd still pick Crawford, but definitely want to see zortiz get his shot.

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                  • dan_cov
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

                    NOPE……………….too damn predictable. Falls into Crawfords game.

                    A lot of things are predictable it doesn't mean you can stop them happening.

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                    • Zaryu
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by dan_cov


                      A lot of things are predictable it doesn't mean you can stop them happening.
                      Very true!

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