Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder Trainer Believes Rumors About Tyson Fury's Sparring Woes Are True

[OldTerry]

Sonny Liston at 6'1", 215lbs, would have had a very difficult time vs today's big heavyweights. Sonny Liston was a good sized HW for his time. Now in today's weight classes, he'd be better off a Cruiserweight.The guys he fought or who "avoided" him were on average, 6'. Among the tallest of the top HW's he fought was Ali, who was 6'3", 210lbs. Prime Ali weighed around 210-215, as he got older he started weighed 220lbs. Keep that in mind. Ali stopped Liston twice. In the rematch, in 1 round. HW's today are much more powerful, because they are so much bigger. The issue for Liston would be, they are not big/tall like Valuev (slow), they are big and retain athleticism.

Okay now we have 240-270lb, 6'5" - 6'9 Heavyweights.

These things matter in boxing. There comes a point where size overcomes skill. For example, there's only so much weight Mayweather or Pacquiao can overcome. Like no one would expect Pacquiao to fight GGG at 160lbs. Pacquiao is the better fighter, yes, but the size would be too much. Nobody expects GGG to fight Beterbiev at 175lbs.

Sonny Liston today, would be similar in size, in the ring, on fight night, as the Cruiserweights.

I am not entirely sure why fans ignore the size and strength differences between athletes as the decades pass by. It's like people saying the baseball pitchers of the past would strike out the batters of today. The pitchers of the golden era of baseball pitched 80-83mph, that was blazing fast. Today, an 80mph fastball would get you kicked out of the MLB. That's a meatball, a home run derby pitch. I threw 80mph at 18 years old, that's a scrub. Won't even get me looked at. In baseball's inception however, i'd have gotten signed. You now have baseball players who are 6'7", 285lbs and are the fastest runners in their team. Times have changed. Jerry West of the Lakers was an All-Star, amazing player of his time, Hall of Famer, MVP, NBA champ, scoring champ, and so on. He would most likely not be as successful today. Probably nowhere near as successful.

Same goes for boxing. Boxing is not immune to the changes in sports. Henry Armstrong's technique and style, in the few footages that exists of him, he probably wouldn't do too well vs the likes Pacquiao, Mayweather, Canelo.

Fans can ignore changes all they want, and deny that the changes matter. It can't ever be proven false, but it's something so obvious that one has to be delusional to ignore it.

You don't know what your talking about. Not a clue.

[OldTerry]

You don't agree with with the list, but still check it out?

I did check it out. And... Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

As grotesque as usual. A lot of them on there are nobodies. Not far off being bums. But hey, make sure they're American. Problem with that though is, you make an absolute fool of yourself and destroy and credibility you are perceived to have.

Norton, Ellis, Patterson, Marciano, Quarry, Liston above Wlad, Fury and AJ? F3ck no!! Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, Louis above Lewis? Even more of a no.

Hideous.

Checking it out at least gives someone a starting point. In the future another generation will look back on the fighters of our day and say the exact same thing about them as you say about the fighters of yesteryear. Sid-Knee, you might want to have your Nanny loosen up you underwear. It might work wonders for your (as always) vicious nature.

[SN!PER]

Anderson would be hell even in sparring and he hasn't hit his prime yet.

Same with Makhmudov. Not too many would step into a ring with these guys.

[Nash out]

I can tell that you are a young guy because you so zealously defend the current crop of heavyweights. What ruined Bowe and made him less great then he had been was a change in lifestyle, the same thing that prevented Mike Tyson from becoming as great as he would have been. Fury's a good fighter but most experts would not rate him as high as the heavyweights I mentioned. Good though to see you enthusiastically supporting your favorite boxers.

Again Bowe = excuse, Tyson = excuse. It's always the same thing. My take is that when Tyson stepped up, he wasn't as good as people thought he was. He could not deal with Douglas' jab, Holyfield and Lewis were levels above. Tyson was the type of guy who looked great in beating guys he should be beating, but when he went up a level, he was shown for what he was. Douglas did not fear him, and his jab was enough to control the whole fight against him. I have watched boxing since 1990. Nash out.

[OldTerry]

Again Bowe = excuse, Tyson = excuse. It's always the same thing. My take is that when Tyson stepped up, he wasn't as good as people thought he was. He could not deal with Douglas' jab, Holyfield and Lewis were levels above. Tyson was the type of guy who looked great in beating guys he should be beating, but when he went up a level, he was shown for what he was. Douglas did not fear him, and his jab was enough to control the whole fight against him. I have watched boxing since 1990. Nash out.

We can just agree to disagree. Have a good evening.

[OldTerry]

People are trolls for exposing you all the time and speaking in a rational manner? You're not a troll either. A troll is someone who knows what they're saying is madness, but wants to antagonise people because they're sad little people. You are really this deluded.

Most people at the second Wilder fight where there for Fury. In his own country. Wilder is a joke who doesn't sell shlt. Regardless of where the fight is. To sell only 7,000 tickets for the "Bogie man" in your own country as a "Champ" that far into your career is embarrassing.

Ortiz, the bum you lot keep calling the second best Heavy in the world and a bogie man? Had no interest from the public, even though you lot claimed it was a huge fight? GTFOH.

The tickets for the 3rd fight weren't selling. It was shut down until Brits can travel over there to make sure they don't lose as much money as they did last time. The Covid story isn't really true.

You're getting us mixed up, darling. YOU lot are the ones who pay to watch garbage all the time through your fighters being cowards and ducking all the time. I could give you hundreds of shlte fights you've put on that are complete mismatches and not worthy of being made. You couldn't come close to doing the same. Just more of your delusion on display.

You need help!

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• Needs to control others and demands loyalty.

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• Seeks advantage rather than justice.
• Is angry disproportionate to the circumstances.
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[FlyingFJ]

Sources told me that mid way into Anderson sparring, Fury started thinking about the Unification.
The distraction let to him being out on his feet. Concentration is very important with the fast and active boxers that are coming up.

[breeto80]

Again Bowe = excuse, Tyson = excuse. It's always the same thing. My take is that when Tyson stepped up, he wasn't as good as people thought he was. He could not deal with Douglas' jab, Holyfield and Lewis were levels above. Tyson was the type of guy who looked great in beating guys he should be beating, but when he went up a level, he was shown for what he was. Douglas did not fear him, and his jab was enough to control the whole fight against him. I have watched boxing since 1990. Nash out.

Your saying that when Tyson went up a level , he was shown for what he was . That's not necessarily true . He came up the old fashioned way. Pad the record a bit , fight some rated trial horses , vets, go for the belt. When he was coming up , before he won the title, he stepped up his competition very so slightly every time. He fought Jose Ribalta, Marvis Frazier, Jesse Ferguson, James "Quick " Tillis, Mitch " Blood " Green . Basically your typical " on the way " to a title shot progression. And alot better than your typical " on your way " to a heavyweight title progression. Then he won the title against Trevor Berbick , then he fought a bunch of good contenders in Pinklon Thomas , Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, a 38 yr old Larry Holmes , champ Tony Tubbs, another current champ, Michael Spinks, who upset Holmes twice, Frank Bruno , Carl " the truth " Williams. Then came the Buster Douglas debacle when everyone at that time knew Tyson was destroying his life with booze , blow and whatever. Anyone that didn't see that coming , really, should be examined. He was a train wreck before the Douglas fight. Even at that , he knocked Douglas out for a 9.9 count. Some say it went past the count of 10. Douglas continued on and we know what happened. Post Douglas, fought and beat, , Donovan " Razor " Ruddock twice back to back, Frank Bruno again, champ Bruce Seldon. Then Holyfield, at this point , Tyson was a shell of his former self and still gave a prime Holyfield a living hell in their first fight. Tyson always stepped up to whoever was put in front of him, Rematched Bruno, Holyfield and Ruddock. Tyson was a true warrior. Would fight anyone , anytime. To say he didn't do anything when he stepped up is absurd. He was " stepping up " all his life. To those to young enough to know, Tyson, you could say was way washed up before even the first Holyfield fight in 1996 and especially the Lewis fight in 2002. Tyson won the title in 1986. Let me tell you this , the 1986 - 1988 version of Mike Tyson would've absolutely destroyed any version of Evander Holyfield or Buster Douglas. . These heavyweights records and competition today are an absolute joke if your comparing quality of opposition compared to " Iron " Mike Tyson. Been watching boxing since 1968, Nash in .

[FLY TY]

People are trolls for exposing you all the time and speaking in a rational manner? You're not a troll either. A troll is someone who knows what they're saying is madness, but wants to antagonise people because they're sad little people. You are really this deluded.

Most people at the second Wilder fight where there for Fury. In his own country. Wilder is a joke who doesn't sell shlt. Regardless of where the fight is. To sell only 7,000 tickets for the "Bogie man" in your own country as a "Champ" that far into your career is embarrassing.

Ortiz, the bum you lot keep calling the second best Heavy in the world and a bogie man? Had no interest from the public, even though you lot claimed it was a huge fight? GTFOH.

The tickets for the 3rd fight weren't selling. It was shut down until Brits can travel over there to make sure they don't lose as much money as they did last time. The Covid story isn't really true.

You're getting us mixed up, darling. YOU lot are the ones who pay to watch garbage all the time through your fighters being cowards and ducking all the time. I could give you hundreds of shlte fights you've put on that are complete mismatches and not worthy of being made. You couldn't come close to doing the same. Just more of your delusion on display.

Why do you idiots keep bringing up the second Ortiz fight? It was a guy Wilder had just knocked out, and there was very little buzz for the fight.

Point me to a post where I said Wilder-Ortiz 2 was a "huge" fight. You can't, troll.

It's funny, all that said, the 7K tickets sold, still beats Fury's 4K in Vegas. No wonder Arum says he's in the red.

And as for ****e fights, let's be honest...Edward charges you guys ppv all the time for trash like Povetkin-Whyte, and the reason he does, is because you pay.

As for Wilder-Fury 2, it generated 80 million in ppv and gate money, where do you get the idea it lost money? More of your made up facts? Unless you're insinuating that Fury is being overpaid, for not being a draw.

[-Kev-]

You don't know what your talking about. Not a clue.

Pitiful response. Go log off.