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  • #21
    Originally posted by andocom View Post

    Hard to know though, PBC's offer might have been $40M or whatever to fight Plant on their platform, or no fight at all. Canelo could be taking a pay cut just to get the undisputed, pretty sure he would make more with the GGG trilogy if money was the only concern.

    The ideal situation is an agreed split between fighters, then highest platform bidder gets the fight, like a purse bid. One can dream.

    In regards to Canelo's demands, if this is true, it does seem a little over the top to demand full fare, I can see where he is coming from though, after the issues with GBP screwing his schedule, watching the ongoing Fury v Wilder debacle I can see the rationale for wanting a damages clause of some type personally.
    The damage clause is only for him. If plant is injured, he can fight any bum, making the same money. If he gets hurt, everyone have to wait for him. Not fair.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by TheBoxGod View Post
      Why postponement is not a viable option.
      • If plants get injured and the fight get postponed than the 40 million dollar purse is to low of an offer. Canelo fights 3 times in a 6 months period with an logical assumption of 2 regular fights at a 15 million guarantee and a big fight at a 30 million dollar guarantee + his sponsorship, gate and all of Latin America TV right's Canelo is ball-parked to earn about 90 million in these 6 months. Now if he has to wait around beholden to a PBC contract over a injury postponement he is losing 6 months worth of earning potential which as I just explained is roughly valued at 90 million.

      Why 40 million for a replacement is fair.
      • Canelo conceded to PBC/Haymon to come to their network to make the fight happen on the basis that he fights on his date which is Mexican Independence day (September 15 weekend). So if plant cant fight on that date due to injury/sickness than the show must go on as to Canelo stipulation that he must fight on that date. To fulfill this stipulation you must supply a replacement and the 40 million price tag remains because you are paying for the superstar Canelo to leave his preferred network (Dazn) and possibly lose some favor over this choice to come to your network where you are able to re-negotiate sponsorship, money, network options etc all because of Canelo involvement. Also because the alternative is you can let Plant go to Dazn where they will foot the bill for the purse of the fighters and take you off the hook from this money commitment and replacement commitment. You send plant over and if he gets injured the fight is off and Canelo show goes on at Dazn and they will supply him with the replacement and pay his fee and you are off the hook. However they WANT Canelo on their network this is why they are and should pay that premium.

      Why if Plant gets injured/sick fight cant just be called off.
      • You cannot ask a fighter to forfeit a paycheck if the original fight cant be had. If plant gets injured/sick and the fight is called off Canelo is robbed of the opportunity to capitalize on his fight date and self promotion this is why replacement opponents are factored in (think Ruiz replacement over Miller) alot of money, time and effort goes into making a fight and you can not expect them to treat this as if its spilled milk and lost out on the time and potential $.
      This is a reasonable, sound assessment. I agree that Canelo should have a clause like this and also think Plant is delusional thinking he deserves same clause, even though he needs the payday far more than Canelo.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post
        Look I'm a Canelo fan also, but you guys are out of your mind. Just say he's using this as a negotiation ploy and move on. Demanding $40 million for any late replacement is obviously a non starter.

        Floyd asked for a 150lb catchweight vs Canelo, but I didn't justify that. I just said it was a bargaining chip. They ended up getting 152lbs instead.
        Look at this ILBBC kiddo trying to disguise himself as a boxing fan. You are a BLACK fan not a BOXING fan. You always support and defend the stance of BLACK fighters and by extension PBC/Al Haymon.

        Covid-19 is surging again in the U.S. and Canelo is protecting his time. Why should Canelo have to wait on Caleb if Caleb gets Covid? It's not Canelo's fault Caleb is a dumb Trump trucker who refuses to get the vaccine.

        FUCK OUTTA HERE

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        • #24
          Nobody have time for this BULLSH%T!

          More UFC for me and the NFL Season is about 8 Weeks or so away as well as NCAA Football so soon so yeah I'm tired of Boxing Politics and Todays Boxing Fans are even more Pathetic just a bunch of Male Groupie B!tches

          Step Back! Pull your Heads out of Canelo or Plant Asses and just look at the reason why they're not fighting lol Really?...SO STUPID!
          Last edited by sicko; 07-29-2021, 04:22 PM.
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          • #25
            Originally posted by sicko View Post
            Nobody have time for this BULLSH%T!

            More UFC for me and the NFL Season is about 8 Weeks or so away as well as NCAA Football so soon so yeah I'm tired of Boxing Politics and Todays Boxing Fans are even more Pathetic just a bunch of Male Groupie B!tches

            Step Back! Pull your Heads out of Canelo or Plant Asses and just look at the reason why they're not fighting lol Really?...SO STUPID!
            Happens all the time. Nothing to really get worked up about.

            look at the entire picture and realized why this fight really fell apart.
            • Caleb Plant have already finalized and signed off on his portion of the contract weeks ago, this is a dispute between PBC (Haymon) and Canelo. Haymon has PBC interest above any one fighter so when he negotiates its for the betterment of his outfit "PBC" rather than the fighter (Caleb Plant). Please understand that. If Haymon was only just Caleb Plant's manager/advisor the fight would have been made already, accept Canelo/Dazn/Matchroom deal and fight over at Dazn for the one off and make your career high payday. However Haymon isn't just only the manager but also is more importantly the owner of the PBC "entity" and this entity's betterment takes priority over the fighter. Its the reason Caleb Plant cant go over and fight at Dazn, its the reason for the high guarantee to get Canelo to come to PBC (so PBC can benefit through the residual effects of Canelo's brand featured in your outfit). This is one main reason the Ali act exist to prevent these conflict of interest from exploiting the fighter for the "manger's/promoter's" gain.
            • Mind you in real PPV non covid times a fighter will just fight on if sick so this issue wasn't really an issue, just now in covid times you cannot just 'fight on' if you have covid the fight must be cancelled or postpone. Canelo's main and hard stipulation prior to even opening up negations was that he MUST fight on September 18th... so this is not new or a last minute request this is letting the other party know what is your hard terms so that both parties can decide if they can come to a deal or not its called "negotiating in good faith". This stipulation is something PBC knew about from the start but wanted to strategically omit it till the closing of negotiations as a strong-arm tactic to force Canelo's hand into accepting the deal as they wrote it up and not how Canelo originally presented it to them for this particular hard term. Now Canelo only has 50 days to secure an opponent for his date so he strategically decided to call off this fight and leave it possible to pick up negotiations for a later date however for right now he has to secure a fighter for his hard date.

            So yeah you can just vent and be mad and not try to understand whats happening or why its happening but till us fans really truly know how this business works we will never grasp the truth. We will just continue to be lied to and fed BS and funny enough we will whole heartily accept it cause to our unenlightened minds it will appear to be the truth.
            Last edited by TheBoxGod; 07-29-2021, 10:21 PM. Reason: fixed some mispellings.
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            • #26
              Speaking strictly from a business standpoint, nobody would ever accept that demand. Not Al Haymon. Not Eddie Hearn. DEFINITELY not Bob Arum. You are delusional if you think that demand is reasonable.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Dallas' 4 Eva View Post
                Speaking strictly from a business standpoint, nobody would ever accept that demand. Not Al Haymon. Not Eddie Hearn. DEFINITELY not Bob Arum. You are delusional if you think that demand is reasonable.
                I know Arum's exact words to Canelo: Screw you.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by TheBoxGod View Post

                  Concession are Canelo gave up Lead promoter, gave up network, and is attempting for the 3rd time to fight plant. This is the A-Side who is leaving his preferred platform (Dazn) to make this fight happen, This is the A-Side giving up Lead Promoter control to Caleb Plant's Promoter PBC, This is the A-Side Canelo attempting for the 3rd time to make this fight happen with Caleb Plant.

                  Also mind you, the only "Issue" at hand that is threatening to have this entire event fall apart can all be resolved if Plant will be allowed to go to Dazn to fight but Plant and PBC will not make that concession... that's how important that concession is... however Canelo Is willing to make that concession to make this fight happen.
                  He's a free agent. He didn't give up lead promoter, he doesn't have one. That's the point.

                  So the "Concessions" are what? Fox made a better deal?
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post

                    He's a free agent. He didn't give up lead promoter, he doesn't have one. That's the point.

                    So the "Concessions" are what? Fox made a better deal?
                    How do you know Fox made a better deal? What did they offer, what did dazn offer? I'm not saying they didn't, I just don't know and wonder how anyone does without knowing the details. Canelo can fight anywhere he wants, can Plant?

                    You might be right and PBC put together the highest offer, or maybe PBC wouldn't let Plant fight anywhere except Fox.

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                    • #30
                      Damn….Politics have made boxing a much more difficult sport than it should have to be!

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