Comments Thread For: Hearn Doesn't Think Vaccine Passports Will Be Required Of Fans To Attend Joshua-Usyk

[Monty Fisto]

If your point was that there is a reason why some people would want to take a vaccine, or specifically take the covid vaccine, then I wouldn't disagree. And I didn't say that no one would want to get a vaccine in my original post. For some people, taking a vaccine, even a largely rushed and experimental one, obviously could be a good decision.

Just as obviously, when a vaccine is rushed and experimental, and has already been shown to cause, at times, serious health issues, then taking that vaccine becomes a less intelligent thing to do. It is a risk/reward scenario, and always would depend on the severity and probability of getting the disease; and then comparing and contrasting that with the efficacy and safety of the vaccine.

1) this vaccine does not seem that effective - it doesn't even protected vaccinated people in many cases

2) this vaccine was rushed, and sped through clinical trials in record time

3) one vaccine, from Johnson and Johnson, has been shown to cause serious illness in its recipients. I would MUCH rather get covid than Guillain Barre Syndrome!!!!! You do understand things like that, I hope.

4) another vaccine, the AstraZeneca one, was linked to a rare blood clotting disorder.

5) A family member of mine surely had covid almost 2 years ago. I was around them many times in this month long timespan that they had the disease, and I did not catch it. Their significant other did not catch it. No one around them caught it to our knowledge.

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There are many people like me who are fairly young, and fairly healthy. We have been around this disease for almost 2 years and many of us, like myself, have either never had the disease, or, if we have had it, then we didn't even realize it as we had no real symptoms.

For many people, like myself, getting the a rushed, experimental vaccine, when the odds of contracting this virus are low, and the odds of having a damaging prognosis from the virus are very low, is a very poor decision.

For others, who are not quite as young, and not quite as healthy, they would have a decision to make as far as whether they would be more damaged by getting the vaccine and suffering side effects or by getting covid and suffering side effects.

I would encourage anyone out there to get themselves in better condition so that their own body and immune system can fight off an illness like covid. Instead of depending on dumping your body with rushed, unproven poison in an attempt to boost or trick your body and immune system.

Enjoy that vaccine though. Make sure you take it every 4 months!! Or is it 6? lol Someone's gotta pay big Pharma!

You are quite right that the younger you are the more the self-interest aspect of the decision plays a part in terms of risk/reward. Seems a bit selfish that you would so casually not lift a finger to protect the parts of society that you recognise are vulnerable by doing your bit and getting the shot though.

The adverse effects of the vaccine do exist and are documented and though the causal aspect is not 100% verified, it does seem likely. All said though, the risks of experiencing those side effects are tiny. Genuinely less risky than driving a car down the road. For example, in the UK we are talking a few hundred cases out of tens of millions of vaccinated people. If you catch Covid, your chances of developing lasting and serious damage is significantly higher.

The vaccine is heavily tested. You are right in that the long-effects are unknown. You seem happy to risk the long term effects of the virus which are also unknown. Curious how that works. The vaccines are based on simple principles of vaccinology that have been around for hundreds of years. We prompt the immune system to recognise aspects of the virus. The virus, meanwhile, has developed through Darwinian evolution to infect the human body and run rampant... And with literally a billion people infected, it has plenty of opportunity to mutate further.

Of course everyone has their own choice to make, but for my part I would rather take the intentionally-designed-by-human-hand-to-help vaccine than risk being infected by the bred-in-bats-in-a-cave virus that has been to shown to kill hundreds of millions in under 18 months and for which we are discovering new long-term symptoms all the time.

For the record, I have had two shots. Where I live has an extremely high up take and we have virtually no covid problem anymore. Funny how that works.

Good luck with your gamble with the bat virus.

[Monty Fisto]

And I didn't say that no one would want to get a vaccine in my original post

Correct. What you wrote was this:
Why would most people want to take a largely rushed, experimental vaccine, for a virus that isn't fatal or problematic for virtually anyone who gets it, and when the vaccine doesn't even protect you against getting the virus?

And so I provided you with an explanation with why most people would want to take the vaccine.

And then you started ****ing on about misplaced anger and shutting down society.

[Monty Fisto]

We have been around this disease for almost 2 years and many of us, like myself, have either never had the disease, or, if we have had it, then we didn't even realize it as we had no real symptoms.

Just to address this point.

Covid emerged in Wuhan in December 2019. If you live in Wuhan then I will grant you that may have been around the disease for 19 months. If you look at the graphs of how the disease has spread, you will realise that the exposure became really widespread towards the end of last year. Even then, in most countries only a minority of the population have been exposed to it. For example, in the US there have been 35 million confirmed cases. Even if we assume this understates the case by 50%, it suggests only 20% of the population have caught it in aggregate across the whole timeline.

Furthermore, the dominant strain in the US is becoming the delta variant. This is a very new development.

Therefore, all in all, your 'almost two years' of being 'around this disease' claim doesn't hold much water.

[Zelda]

With the Indian variant gaining dominance around the world, boxing (and other sports) future looks bleak for the foreseeable future. And God knows what new variants are going to emerge in the future? Already the "lambda" variant caused havoc in Peru.

This Covid-19 virus seems as dodgy as Fury.

[Boxing-1013]

You are quite right that the younger you are the more the self-interest aspect of the decision plays a part in terms of risk/reward. Seems a bit selfish that you would so casually not lift a finger to protect the parts of society that you recognise are vulnerable by doing your bit and getting the shot though.

The adverse effects of the vaccine do exist and are documented and though the causal aspect is not 100% verified, it does seem likely. All said though, the risks of experiencing those side effects are tiny. Genuinely less risky than driving a car down the road. For example, in the UK we are talking a few hundred cases out of tens of millions of vaccinated people. If you catch Covid, your chances of developing lasting and serious damage is significantly higher.

The vaccine is heavily tested. You are right in that the long-effects are unknown. You seem happy to risk the long term effects of the virus which are also unknown. Curious how that works. The vaccines are based on simple principles of vaccinology that have been around for hundreds of years. We prompt the immune system to recognise aspects of the virus. The virus, meanwhile, has developed through Darwinian evolution to infect the human body and run rampant... And with literally a billion people infected, it has plenty of opportunity to mutate further.

Of course everyone has their own choice to make, but for my part I would rather take the intentionally-designed-by-human-hand-to-help vaccine than risk being infected by the bred-in-bats-in-a-cave virus that has been to shown to kill hundreds of millions in under 18 months and for which we are discovering new long-term symptoms all the time.

For the record, I have had two shots. Where I live has an extremely high up take and we have virtually no covid problem anymore. Funny how that works.

Good luck with your gamble with the bat virus.

The whole point of getting the vaccine is to immunize you? You're saying that the vaccine doesn't really work? If the vaccine is shi.tty don't take it out on the people who don't want to take a sh.itty vaccine. Take it out on the people who make the vaccine.

[Boxing-1013]

Just to address this point.

Covid emerged in Wuhan in December 2019. If you live in Wuhan then I will grant you that may have been around the disease for 19 months. If you look at the graphs of how the disease has spread, you will realise that the exposure became really widespread towards the end of last year. Even then, in most countries only a minority of the population have been exposed to it. For example, in the US there have been 35 million confirmed cases. Even if we assume this understates the case by 50%, it suggests only 20% of the population have caught it in aggregate across the whole timeline.

Furthermore, the dominant strain in the US is becoming the delta variant. This is a very new development.

Therefore, all in all, your 'almost two years' of being 'around this disease' claim doesn't hold much water.

You understand that just about any disease will be floating around in a society well before it is officially recognized, right? By the time it is recognized, it has probably been floating around for months already.

As I said, I have a family member who I interact with almost daily, who has had covid; they had the antibody test. The only time they were sick in the past 2 year period was a month long flu-like sickness after a trip in later 2019, probably October to November. The doctor at the time thought it was the flu, but was surprised at how long it took to get over it.

As I said, be sure to get all of your 20 new vaccinations, and be sure to get them every 2 months or so. Whatever the new guidance is from your overlords. Have a good one buddy.