So if Floyd simply destroys JMM, does he have the upper hand on Pacquiao?

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  • NEELZ
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    #51
    Mayweather isn't going to destroy Marquez. So this is a hypothetical question which has no reality. Mayweather said he would destroy DeLaHoya and the fight was pretty close. Mayweater didn't destroy Baldomir, won a decision. Mayweather's fans only dream he could destroy Pacman.

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    • Al Haymon
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      #52
      Originally posted by bojangles1987
      He was most dominant at 130 or 135, but that's irrelevant, he has not fought below 140 for like 5 years, Marquez was at 135 his last two fights and 130 a year and a half ago.
      Do you consider 130 as JMM's certain best weight? Or do you think he has better accomplishments at 135?

      I'm a bit dismayed that you introduced the "best weight" disussion for JMM. But don't think it is relevant for both.

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      • bojangles1987
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        #53
        Originally posted by Al Haymon
        Do you consider 130 as JMM's certain best weight? Or do you think he has better accomplishments at 135?

        I'm a bit dismayed that you introduced the "best weight" disussion for JMM. But don't think it is relevant for both.
        I shoudn't have said best weight, I should have said best weight right now. Marquez was stretching it at 135, where he was slower, easier to hit, easier to rock, just generally not as good as he was at 130 or 126. Now he's moving up to 144, and if he slowed down and fought worse at 135 I can only imagine he won't be any better, and almost certainly worse at 10 pounds more.

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          #54
          Originally posted by NEELZ
          Mayweather isn't going to destroy Marquez. So this is a hypothetical question which has no reality. Mayweather said he would destroy DeLaHoya and the fight was pretty close. Mayweater didn't destroy Baldomir, won a decision. Mayweather's fans only dream he could destroy Pacman.
          My grandmother could of scored the baldomir fight 12-0 cuz it was such a lopsided win. Hard to knock out two guys who weighed almost 20lbs more then him come fight night! get a clue

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            #55
            he'll no......pac outperformed floyd vs two common opponents......even if floyd beats jmm in a ko,pac still leads 2 to 1....

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              #56
              Originally posted by grgsbrwr
              My grandmother could of scored the baldomir fight 12-0 cuz it was such a lopsided win. Hard to knock out two guys who weighed almost 20lbs more then him come fight night! get a clue
              baldomr got 12 losses...hes' too damn slow......margo>baldo.....floyd dont want none of margo....

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              • Al Haymon
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                #57
                Originally posted by bojangles1987
                I shoudn't have said best weight, I should have said best weight right now. Marquez was stretching it at 135, where he was slower, easier to hit, easier to rock, just generally not as good as he was at 130 or 126. Now he's moving up to 144, and if he slowed down and fought worse at 135 I can only imagine he won't be any better, and almost certainly worse at 10 pounds more.
                As the smaller man, it would normally be Marquez that would have the speed advantage. Every time I hear someone describe this "mismatch", they say that Floyd is "too big and too fast" for Marquez. What that translates to in reality is that Floyd is "too good".

                The "bigger/stronger" vs. "smaller/faster" is a common theme in boxing history. The problem is that JMM isn't holding up his full end of the bargain here. Unless the public felt that JMM could beat Floyd at 130/135/140. And I haven't been hearing that.

                If JMM is a 3-1 underdog, I'm betting on Juan. But don't tell PBF. He's my client.

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                • bojangles1987
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Al Haymon
                  As the smaller man, it would normally be Marquez that would have the speed advantage. Every time I hear someone describe this "mismatch", they say that Floyd is "too big and too fast" for Marquez. What that translates to in reality is that Floyd is "too good".

                  The "bigger/stronger" vs. "smaller/faster" is a common theme in boxing history. The problem is that JMM isn't holding up his full end of the bargain here. Unless the public felt that JMM could beat Floyd at 130/135/140. And I haven't been hearing that.

                  If JMM is a 3-1 underdog, I'm betting on Juan. But don't tell PBF. He's my client.
                  Marquez has never been a speed fighter, and Mayweather is. Just because someone is smaller does not mean they are faster. JMM would have a good chance to beat Mayweather at 130, and this would be a classic fight if it was there. Mayweather is proven and accustomed to welterweight, Marquez struggled at lightweight. No mystery why this is a mismatch.

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                  • Al Haymon
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by bojangles1987
                    Marquez has never been a speed fighter, and Mayweather is. Just because someone is smaller does not mean they are faster. JMM would have a good chance to beat Mayweather at 130, and this would be a classic fight if it was there. Mayweather is proven and accustomed to welterweight, Marquez struggled at lightweight. No mystery why this is a mismatch.
                    That may be a bit of revisionist history. Mayweather and Marquez were at 130 and 126 for about five years or so. Only four pounds apart. At the time, i don't remember anybody - and I mean NOBODY - saying that Marquez should mess with FMJ. Do you?

                    There was some talk about May-Nas. But none about JMM.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Al Haymon
                      That may be a bit of revisionist history. Mayweather and Marquez were at 130 and 126 for about five years or so. Only four pounds apart. At the time, i don't remember anybody - and I mean NOBODY - saying that Marquez should mess with FMJ. Do you?

                      There was some talk about May-Nas. But none about JMM.
                      Marquez didin't have a "name" to entertain that idea....his wars with Pac were the best thing to ever happen to him....but the Morales loss was the best thing to ever happen for Pac. If Pac never lost to Morales...most definately Pac would've lost to Marquez in their 2nd fight.

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