Comments Thread For: Roach: Thurman Is Actually Better Than Spence; Throws More Combinations, A Little Stronger

[Larry the boss]

Danny Garcia said Spence was stronger

[Willy Wanker]

After watching Roach speak for the last 16 years or so, it's pretty clear that he says outlandish sht to either play head games with the opponent or to convince himself of something that simply isn't true.

[hugh grant]

Bud, spence and thurman are the current stars of the division no doubt. But again because unbelievably they've not fought each other we are guessing who's strongest between thurman and spence and who is the best between spence and bud? If they'd bloody fought each other like they should have Wed have answers to these questions.
how embarrassing they leaving it to a former flyweight with 70 fights under belt at 42 to try clear up some of confusion?
If Pac beats spence he's the greatest who ever lived in everyone's private opinion. I want to apologise to pac, on buds, thurman and spence behalf.

[Hot Shyt]

Danny Garcia said (and I believe Porter also said) that Spence is physically stronger but Thurman throws more powerful punches

[DoubleMM]

Whats your target? You’ll think they’ll go even lower fight week? If they dip into the -100s i’m going big on spence

I think it can dip to -240 but id be suprised if it goes down more then that. Thurman opened as a favorite -135 or so and by fight night he was a underdog.

[Oregonian]

pac will be the betting favorite come fight night.....

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According to you, PAC would be the betting favorite if he was fighting Canelo or AJ or a prime Tyson or any boxer in history.

You and Roach are cut from the same clothe. Roach says “ I like that Manny doesn’t just wanna fight stiffs or actors or whatever it may be. He’s still fighting real people.”

Meanwhile, PAC’s career in the last 12 years is littered with Brandon Rios, Broner, Mathysse and a myriad of guys coming off losses.

[hugh grant]

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Meanwhile, PAC’s career in the last 12 years is littered with, Broner, Mathysse and a myriad of guys coming off losses.

The broners and Lucas of this world were at some point lauded as future stars and men with immense ability. It's not pac s fault they couldn't fulfil promise people expected of them. The fact they've fallen by wayside and pac s still here is a testament to pac s greatness. Pac is quite within his right to be given massive, gigantic respect for beating these still young guys who at some point were expected to do great things a for many many years to come. Pac s ready for all comers at 40 and turns up fight night in shape why weren't broner and lucas? All people asked was Lucas and broker to be prepared just like Pac was. How hard can it be for guys in prime. They should be able to have off night and still beat pac. Why are standards so high on pac?
So pac s not going to get respect for beating major names as they're not as good anymore? That's not fair on pac, just cos pac maintained his level so that he puts himself in.position to beat these kids, yet you say Pac only beat guys coming off losses?

[Kagami Taiga]

When Thurman was prime, it might have been somewhat close. But at this point, the Thurman that we've seen I've this last 2 fights? Nah..Spence is clearly superior.

[Roadblock]

Danny Garcia said Spence was stronger

And that was prime Thurman and come backing Spence, the Thurman Manny beat Spence would stop in the last 1/2 as Thurman faded in that.

Roach seems to forget he said Thurman looked like sht and was not the same fighter when he fought Manny as he was 3 yrs earlier. now he is comparing a prime Thurman from before surgery and layoffs, not the broken version Manny fought.

[Oregonian]

The broners and Lucas of this world were at some point lauded as future stars and men with immense ability. It's not pac s fault they couldn't fulfil promise people expected of them. The fact they've fallen by wayside and pac s still here is a testament to pac s greatness. Pac is quite within his right to be given massive, gigantic respect for beating these still young guys who at some point were expected to do great things a for many many years to come. Pac s ready for all comers at 40 and turns up fight night in shape why weren't broner and lucas? All people asked was Lucas and broker to be prepared just like Pac was. How hard can it be for guys in prime. They should be able to have off night and still beat pac. Why are standards so high on pac?
So pac s not going to get respect for beating major names as they're not as good anymore? That's not fair on pac, just cos pac maintained his level so that he puts himself in.position to beat these kids, yet you say Pac only beat guys coming off losses?

You either don’t know boxing or are just delusional

Broner was literally coming off two losses and a draw. He was long written off as a future star in boxing.
Mathysse’s last big fight was a loss to Victor Postol and then he fought Emmanuel Taylor and Tiwa Kiram (nobody knows who these guys) before fighting PAC. Mathysse was long done being a future of boxing after Danny Garcia beat him.

But history has context, this cherry picking wasn’t something that started with Broner. It goes back to Clottey who had just lost to Cotto, there was Mosley who had lost to Floyd, there was Margarito who had been KO’d by Mosley. There is a long pattern that you guys love to ignore or twist into mythical tales.

PAC is a good boxer and could have beaten any of the top WW (except Floyd) 10 years ago. He didn’t need to fight guys coming off losses or create dubious catchweights. We all saw that he beat Thurman. There was literally no need for a Broner-like fight.

Unlike you, we respect PAC for beating Thurman and for taking on Spence. Those are massive fights if not historical but we cannot ignore historical facts either.