Calzaghe is a shoe in ATG.

[hammerhiem]

You look at Joe's resume and there are some good wins on it, you then look at those who he genuinely could have fought and he didn't miss out on many quality opponents.

Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Brewer, Woodhall, Lacy, Kessler, Bhop and RJJ are good wins against solid World champions, and frankly missing out on Johnson, Ottke and Beyer doesn't really take much away from it either, though missing out on Younger RJJ and BHOP does, but that wasn't all joes fault and in fact mostly other party's.

Bika is starting to look like a solid win too.

But sorry when you are talking about ATG status, wins like that do not get you top 100, I place him just outside the top 100 and i'm a White British patriot incase you start throwing dumbass racist comments at me.

Joe could IMO have been top 50 had he fought at 160 five to ten years previous to when he did but he didn't and so he isn't.

He has a Good but not great resume, he has good but not great accomplishments and good but not great skill set.

So he's a good (HoF) but not great (ATG) fighter.

he is top 5 british All time which is what the sky interviews are talking about which are sometime missinterprited.

[studentofthegam]

How about I post the list here and you PayPal me the money?

Cool, I wont be too critical. Just dont try to sneak in ridiculous names.Example:

Hatton, Ottke, Judah, and so on. Atleast let it be 100 that are worth the debate. Im waitin. Make sure youve seen them fight at the very least on video.

[SuperTrooper]

Cool, I wont be too critical. Just dont try to sneak in ridiculous names.Example:

Hatton, Ottke, Judah, and so on. Atleast let it be 100 that are worth the debate. Im waitin. Make sure youve seen them fight at the very least on video.

The list is based on my opinion but I got the feeling you're just gonna complain about it and say that I have someone on there that shouldn't be. Then, you're gonna use that excuse not to pay me. I don't want to waste my time typing out names unless you're gonna man up and pay me for posting my top 100 ATG list with no strings attached. Everybody on here has list but there's always someone that's going to disagree with it.

[Steak]

top ten rated fighters Calzaghe faced in his Super Middleweight reign:
Robin Reid #6,
Richie Woodhall #8,
Charles Brewer #5,
Byron Mitchell #5,
Lacy #3,
Peter Manfredo #10, and of course
Kessler #2.

And then you have Hopkins and Roy. and I would throw Bika in there too, because he got rated after Calzaghe beat him. I would mention Eubank too

Is that ATG worthy? Im not being sarcastic, but here are the facts, now make your decision. I dont think title defences or undefeated records mean much, its who you beat (and how) that matters by far the most.

[studentofthegam]

The list is based on my opinion but I got the feeling you're just gonna complain about it and say that I have someone on there that shouldn't be. Then, you're gonna use that excuse not to pay me. I don't want to waste my time typing out names unless you're gonna man up and pay me for posting my top 100 ATG list with no strings attached. Everybody on here has list but there's always someone that's going to disagree with it.

I understand that. Thats why I said it would be plenty of slack as long as you are reasonable. I know you will have a hard time just remembering 100 boxers let alone 100 atgs. Im a very fair person but thee is no pressure on you to do it. I know I couldnt name 100 better than Zags.

[studentofthegam]

top ten rated fighters Calzaghe faced in his Super Middleweight reign:
Robin Reid #6,
Richie Woodhall #8,
Charles Brewer #5,
Byron Mitchell #5,
Lacy #3,
Peter Manfredo #10, and of course
Kessler #2.

And then you have Hopkins and Roy. and I would throw Bika in there too, because he got rated after Calzaghe beat him. I would mention Eubank too

Is that ATG worthy? Im not being sarcastic, but here are the facts, now make your decision. I dont think title defences or undefeated records mean much, its who you beat (and how) that matters by far the most.

I agree that its how you beat them. Undefeated is just icing on the cake. There is no fight up here (with the exception of Bhop) that he didnt win handily so whats wrong with his resume.

[Steak]

I agree that its how you beat them. Undefeated is just icing on the cake. There is no fight up here (with the exception of Bhop) that he didnt win handily so whats wrong with his resume.

dont look at me, I never said there was anything 'wrong' with his record. I just think some of his fans are numbskulls when they mention his title defenses, because not only was the WBO considered illegitimate for a portion of his title reign, but it was also only one piece of the alphabet belts and he hardly faced any guys that EVER made it to the top ten.

oh, and personally I thought he lost to Reid. it was a close one, could have gone either way, I just thought Reid landed harder punches and took command in a good majority of the middle rounds.

[hammerhiem]

I understand that. Thats why I said it would be plenty of slack as long as you are reasonable. I know you will have a hard time just remembering 100 boxers let alone 100 atgs. Im a very fair person but thee is no pressure on you to do it. I know I couldnt name 100 better than Zags.

I might take you up on that tomorrow if i have time, frankly i don't right now and i have a long day at work tomotrrow so it might be sunday before i reply.

Oh and for starters heres 10 CURRENT fighters who will be above him

Holyfield
Pac
BHop
PBF
RJJ
SSM
ODLH
MAB
Morales
JMM

[Burner]

Yeah he fought a lot of his fights at home. So what? He beat Bhop Kessler Roy and the smoke screen Jeff Lacy. He beat two ATG so who did he skip and Why doesnt he deserve retire with the respect of boxing fans everywhere even here in hater heaven?

Two ATG's at 40 and 43 you dumb ass.

[SuperTrooper]

I understand that. Thats why I said it would be plenty of slack as long as you are reasonable. I know you will have a hard time just remembering 100 boxers let alone 100 atgs. Im a very fair person but thee is no pressure on you to do it. I know I couldnt name 100 better than Zags.

Naming 100 ATG is not a problem for me but what is a problem is your reasonable point of view could be different than mine which you could basically use an excuse to not pay me. It's pointless for me to post my list when you're gonna put a catch that it has to be reasonable to your point of view. Everybody has their own opinion and the top 100 ATG is one of the most debatable subject on here. There's not a single person on here that will have a list that will make everybody happy.