Comments Thread For: Bellew: Usyk is Really Hard Fight For Joshua, It's Really Dangerous

[billeau2]

I just dont see where anybody thinks Usyk is the same guy as he was at Cruiserweight. He was dominant below 200 pounds but in 2 fights at heavyweight he looks like he is too small to create problems for ANY of the better fighters at heavyweight. I'd probably pick a Kownacki type guy to beat him.

I can see it, but I agree with you. There is a principle of epistemology here that is neglected... sort of the opposite of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." That principle is, "If someone has tried, and has not succeeded... don't assume otherwise unless some massive change has occurred... sort of like the physical world where a force will go forward until met with an equal or greater force... After all the talking and other nonsense? What we truly KNOW is that Usyk faltered when he took on a half decent gate keeping heavyweight. And I don't care what the judges thought... Its on tape, it can be watched.

Also, if one looks at Usyk, he was a fantastic cruiser... I might put him on a short list, its all on tape all the things he could do: head movement, tempo changes on his punches, angles, finishing aggressively... But he depended on being physical as a fighter to do these things, something he cannot do at heavy weight. To me this is an easy fight to call: First, we have precedent and then we have a breakdown which fails to show how Usyk can be physical with a fighter the size of Joshua. All Joshua has to do to win is catch Usyk who lately fights with his chin up and moves straight back... vis a vis he was almost clipped hard against slow Derrick doing this.

[billeau2]

this, his power dropped off a lot in the move up. cruiser he was a great fighter and agile, fast, his power was good there.

at heavy he looks sluggish and has no power, hes already up there in age too. Against chisora he made chisora look like a strong bull with huge thudding punches, there was just so much difference in power and strength and chisora is shot

only way that AJ has any problems with usyk is if he gives him too much respect and spars with him, if he puts on pressure there is too much size, strength and power difference

Crackerjack Post! Absolutely true... I don't even like to predict fights these days... But if Joshua just walks through Usyk it won't take long to finish the fight with a KO.

[Boxing Goat]

Bellew is just trying to hype Usyk up so he doesn't look bad. Otherwise, no sane person thinks a cruiserweight is going to give the HW champion trouble particularly when he couldn't seriously hurt the lower ranked HWs. Usyk is fast and skilled to Joshua could have to spend a round or two to judge him. Once he catches him, it should be a straightforward knockout.

Bellew knocked out former HW champ David Haye twice, so I would say his opinion is somewhat 'expert'. Usyk is a threat and I would be happy to debate that after the fight as well

[billeau2]

Everyone saying AJ is so much bigger but...

Not that big of a difference between a guy who is

6'3" 217 lbs

6'6" 237 lbs

Also, fun to see all them ****** casuals posing as hardcore fans with illiterate opinions. We get it. Youre not smart but you love boxing so much becauae that's all you have? The reason why Usyk will do better against AJ is because of styles.

Chisora is a come at you big man who wants to trade. Anthony Joshua ain't trading like that anymore. Also, dude still idles in front of his opponent which will give usyk plenty of time to feint, move, and counter AJ.

Before casting aspersions look at some of your own assumptions here. The difference between a heavyweight (technically an open division) is not only weight. It is how someone carries the weight, their ability to carry power up, their reach, and the size of things like their neck, wrists, etc.

Chisora is slow, has no reach, and more of a boxer puncher than a puncher. Joshua has reach, power in both hands and can impose himself on opponents. Most cruisers who move up have a punch: Archie Moore (most KO's ever?), Ezzard Charles (had KO Power), before that Tunney (excellent all round with a good punch in addition to speed), later on Foster (great punch), haye (a puncher), holyfield (boxer puncher with superb punch power)... that tells me you need a punch to really succeed. Spinks may be exceptional that way...But I can't think of another cruiser without stupendous power moving up and being a serious threat. usyk has no big punch to keep a big puncher honest.

[billeau2]

Bellew knocked out former HW champ David Haye twice, so I would say his opinion is somewhat 'expert'. Usyk is a threat and I would be happy to debate that after the fight as well

Problem with Bellew, who I am a fan of BTW, is he does not give himself enough credit in his fight with Usyk... He is quick to lionize Usyk because yes, Usyk prevailed and did so with no real caveats. BUT Bellew was very succesful for a good portion of that fight. Usyk had to change a few things, wait for Bellew to gas a bit and (most important) had to eat some pretty good shots bellew delivered.

Joshua is not the tactician bellew is for sure. I think Bellew is an underated fighter actually... But Joshua has only to touch up Usyk to cause grave concerns. And for those who speak of Ruiz. Ruiz has very fast hands and a lot of mass... he can punch a lot harder than Usyk.

[Corelone]

Eddy is just easing him into a showcase in Tijuana . Canelo promotions.

[BeLikeWater]

D#@% that was a quick fail

Is everybody high?

[PRINCEKOOL]

I am also not sure why people keep mentioning 'Angles' when speaking about Usyk's fighting style.

Usyk most of the time, comes straight down the middle with his punches plus? He does not use much lateral movement.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Before casting aspersions look at some of your own assumptions here. The difference between a heavyweight (technically an open division) is not only weight. It is how someone carries the weight, their ability to carry power up, their reach, and the size of things like their neck, wrists, etc.

Chisora is slow, has no reach, and more of a boxer puncher than a puncher. Joshua has reach, power in both hands and can impose himself on opponents. Most cruisers who move up have a punch: Archie Moore (most KO's ever?), Ezzard Charles (had KO Power), before that Tunney (excellent all round with a good punch in addition to speed), later on Foster (great punch), haye (a puncher), holyfield (boxer puncher with superb punch power)... that tells me you need a punch to really succeed. Spinks may be exceptional that way...But I can't think of another cruiser without stupendous power moving up and being a serious threat. usyk has no big punch to keep a big puncher honest.

Weight only matters to a degree and it matters if you know how to use it or not.

From what I'm reading you merely suggest AJ will win because of his physical size alone and because you consider him a puncher in both hands. Right?

Do I disagree with that? Nope.

But there are far more things to consider in boxing. Like consider how AJ has a bad tendency to idle in front of his opponents? Do you think that's advantageous against a guy like Usyk? A dude who wants to box you and use feints and movement?

Dude is literally called a robot for a reason and that's because he fights like one. Usyk match up wise is bad for Joshua. There is a very real chance he could over process. Joshua's only advantage is he does have the power to end the fight if he lands.

Does Joshha utilize that size you like so much? Nope. Dude has no inside fighting game at all. Dude doesn't fight in the clinch either. Plus, the bigger he is fight night the faster his tank will empty.

Chisora isn't as bad as you think at all. Dude might be a gatekeeper level talent but gives all kinds of guys good scraps. He's not a guy you take easy.

Do you really think it's advantageous for AJ to fight a long game behind his jab? Seriously you've said none of these things but hang to the super basic **** like "power in both hands" or "He's bigger" or "he's faster ".

Or Chisora is a bum when he's a quality opponent. Hes literally like a 90s Tua. A good guy who just falls short.

Like bro. You ain't even talking boxing.

I expect a competitive fight despite who wins.

[medic5678]

Props to AJ for fighting. He'll win, we'll have AJ/Fury soon enough. Now, that's gonna be a real fight!