Tyson Fury's resume is garbage

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  • -Kev-
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    #51
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua

    With his size only heavyweights from past eras that can beat him has to be extra special ATG.

    Few ppl can overcome size disparity that fury has over the old guys.

    guys that were special and had great chins and great skills..

    Guys like ali, Holmes, foreman, liston, etc.. can overcome fury size.

    Guys like Marciano and Patterson are too small.

    I'm on the fence about Joe Louis.

    Louis was great but his chin wasn't the best.. maybe fury tags him and kos him.

    I’m not sure about all that though. The thing with Fury is that he is nearly Valuev’s height, and has the style of a lighter weight fighter instead of a sloth like Valuev.

    HW’s back then weighed, what? 180-215lbs with same day weigh in? That’s a cruiserweight nowadays (fight night weight). Top height was like 6’3”. Eventually a HW era comes to end and starts a new era of bigger, taller, more athletic HW’s who can move around like Ali. You don’t see 5’10”- 6’1” boxers at HW too often anymore. And if they are, they are no match for these giants. Wladimir, Vitali, Lewis all ruled HW at one point and showed what a bigger man with skills can do. I think that Lewis moved a bit slow. But Vitali and Wlad, I feel were the first signs of boxing about to have bigger, more agile, taller, skilled HW’s.

    Fans don’t seem realize that boxing weight classes always goes through an upgrade of fighters in size, height and skill level for their height.

    I’ve seen you discuss NBA a lot so i’m gonna mention a topic that you are very familiar with: NBA players of the 80s-90s are better than NBA players of today. But how? You now have bigger, taller, more athletic players. Yes I know they are pssy now with the foul drawing by flopping and not even able to play tight D on eachother because then a whistle be blown. But they can not be compared to each other, it’s unfair. The same can be said about boxing. A lot of fans like talking about how boxers were better back then and they could beat HW’s from now. You’re a Laker fan if i’m not mistaken, so imagine someone making an argument to you that Jerry West would be too much for Kobe Bryant? That would be pretty silly. You’d think they’re high or drunk. That’s what I see when I read or hear someone talk about how fighters of several decades ago would beat today’s top fighters.

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    • Marchegiano
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      #52
      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua

      Fake Jack dempsey fought a huge jess Willard. Who else?

      Most of the guys he fought were of similar height to him. 5'10-6'1

      Fake jack dempsey would be a light heavyweight today.

      Fight at 175, cutting down from 190.
      But him big doe?

      Jack fought and sparred plenty of big guys. It's not my fault if you're too lazy or ****** to read about it.

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      • whollisboxing
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        #53
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

        I dunno man, how many people even care that Ali beat Terrell, Williams, Folley etc? I can guarantee the vast majority of boxing fans probably haven’t even bothered watching those fights. When it comes to Ali, people talk about Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Norton and Patterson and likely in that order too. Although I’d recommend watching Ali-Williams to anyone, as I believe it’s arguably Ali’s peak performance.

        Aside from real boxing historians nobody really cares about the fringe guys when looking back on a fighters career. If Fury beats Klitschko, Wilder and AJ nobody is gonna question his resume because he never added filler against lower level guys like Povetkin, Ortiz, Pulev etc.
        That’s fair to say in terms of boxing historians vs. “casuals” as they say. So basically we agree on my original statement: that beating the guys who “matter”, matters.

        Obviously the top 10-20 matters to diehard fans while the top 2-3 matter to casuals.

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        • TyrantT316
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          #54
          I kind of agree with the original post in a sense. Wlad was a big win was Wlad was still THE dominant champ despite age. However, his next big win was Wilder II.

          I think in terms of "all-time", his argument is somewhat diminished because of that gap that included:

          Wallin
          Schwarz
          Pianeta
          Seferi

          He has never really had a "defense" of his titles. His personality and claim to being RING mag champ make his "legend" seem bigger. But in reallity, this third Wilder fight is his first real defense of a title he won.

          A big part of that Wallin,Schwarz, Pianeta, Seferi run was because of personal issues and trying to come back strong. I get it. But that shouldn't automatically qualify him as being an all-time great.

          Should be beat Wilder III. I think his claim to being at least a great in his own era comes down to Joshua beating Usyk convinginly and then Fury beating Joshua.

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