Wilder is the biggest hype job and bum in the history of boxing.

[Pac=Duran]

Here's what's true. Wilder barely won the Bronze media winning his second Olympic fight via narrow margin ( 10-10 judges vote ) vs a person from Morocco then was promptly out classed ( 7-1 ) in his 3rd match up. He did this at heavyweight with an easy draw. If he was fighting at super heavyweight, he's likely stopped or doesn't advance past his 2nd match, Never have I seen Bronze so celebrated.

Wilder was hyped from day as a pro, dropped by a no body. Then his manager paid for a bunch of people to fall down for him when he hit them. Wilder has not beat a top 10 ring ranked opponent under age 35.

Fury feasts on old men and guys ranked outside the top ten as well. This is the " champion " ?

Fury was just the first real fight Wilder fought. A decent top ten type beat a Fraud. That was the fight. No wonder Fury wont fight any puncher with skills and wants Wilder for a 3rd time!

The movement Wider fights a top ten guy not named Fury, he's taking the count, ad Fury's big win won't look so good. In terms of Alphabet champs if Wilder actually would fight ranked contenders would be viewed more like Charles Martin. But he fights and sometimes struggles in victory vs non-top ten guys instead. Ho-hum.

Agree 100% Wilder just ain't a great win for Fury. Its a good win because he was a feared puncher that was undefeated but he's a bum with a right hand really lol. Fury's win over Klitschko is what makes him a great fighter.

Fury needs to beat Joshua to become an ATG imo

[786]

Here's what's true. Wilder barely won the Bronze media winning his second Olympic fight via narrow margin ( 10-10 judges vote ) vs a person from Morocco then was promptly out classed ( 7-1 ) in his 3rd match up. He did this at heavyweight with an easy draw. If he was fighting at super heavyweight, he's likely stopped or doesn't advance past his 2nd match, Never have I seen Bronze so celebrated.

Wilder was hyped from day as a pro, dropped by a no body. Then his manager paid for a bunch of people to fall down for him when he hit them. Wilder has not beat a top 10 ring ranked opponent under age 35.

Fury feasts on old men and guys ranked outside the top ten as well. This is the " champion " ?

Fury was just the first real fight Wilder fought. A decent top ten type beat a Fraud. That was the fight. No wonder Fury wont fight any puncher with skills and wants Wilder for a 3rd time!

The movement Wider fights a top ten guy not named Fury, he's taking the count, ad Fury's big win won't look so good. In terms of Alphabet champs if Wilder actually would fight ranked contenders would be viewed more like Charles Martin. But he fights and sometimes struggles in victory vs non-top ten guys instead. Ho-hum.

While I don't agree with everything, this is a fair assessment. My comment was directed at those who claim Wilder's the worst heavyweight champ in history while at the same time declaring Fury an ATG for beating him. For me, it's somewhere in the middle; good win for Fury but doesn't automatically make him an ATG and Wilder isn't the worst heavyweight champ in history when we've seen guys like Charles Martin and Bruce Seldon hold titles.

[Pac=Duran]

While I don't agree with everything, this is a fair assessment. My comment was directed at those who claim Wilder's the worst heavyweight champ in history while at the same time declaring Fury an ATG for beating him. For me, it's somewhere in the middle; good win for Fury but doesn't automatically make him an ATG and Wilder isn't the worst heavyweight champ in history when we've seen guys like Charles Martin and Bruce Seldon hold titles.

he's the worst because he held it for so long, so we were forced to consider him a de facto "legitimate" heavyweight champ. Look at the list of guys he fought for his defences and the list of guys that he could have fought but didnt. Truly embarrassing. Mike Perez would have been his best win before he fought Ortiz, like 40 fights into his career lol what a joke he is.

[786]

he's the worst because he held it for so long, so we were forced to consider him a de facto "legitimate" heavyweight champ. Look at the list of guys he fought for his defences and the list of guys that he could have fought but didnt. Truly embarrassing. Mike Perez would have been his best win before he fought Ortiz, like 40 fights into his career lol what a joke he is.

I disagree, there have been worse heavyweight titlists in history than Wilder.

[_Rexy_]

Why bring up sick **** to illustrate your point though wtf

You're a ******** r3tard, if you don't understand what an example is.

[Toffee]

Did TBRB have Ruiz #1? Shame on them. That’s fair enough though- I can’t argue with it because they are generally impartial.

I don’t put much stock in AJ’s Wlad win, there are just far too many asterisks, 41 yrs old, 18 months inactive, coming off a decisive loss. He showed a lot of heart by getting up off the the floor to win but that was a well past his prime Klitschko. It’s in that Tyson-Holmes category for me, and even Holmes was younger and coming off a far better performance than Wlad was.

I don’t think any heavyweight has a great resume tbh. Fury has two great wins but then little else after including no defences. AJ and Wilder both have good wins and several defences but there’s nobody special on their resumes either.

That's a fair enough assessment, although I'd obviously personally put Joshua well ahead of Wilder on quality of opponent; largely down to rating the Wlad win a lot more highly than you do.

I think you can get hung up on asterisks. History won't see the asterisks as clearly, it will see defences, unifications, names, reputations and rankings. If the top 3 all stopped right now, I reckon when people look back at this era Joshua comes out very favourably.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

That's a fair enough assessment, although I'd obviously personally put Joshua well ahead of Wilder on quality of opponent; largely down to rating the Wlad win a lot more highly than you do.

I think you can get hung up on asterisks. History won't see the asterisks as clearly, it will see defences, unifications, names, reputations and rankings. If the top 3 all stopped right now, I reckon when people look back at this era Joshua comes out very favourably.

Yeah Joshua has a better resume than Wilder, I don’t dispute that at all.

I think historically, (if they all retired today) it would be Fury. The lack of defences hurts him but he still dethroned Wlad (10 years, 18 defences) and Wilder (5 years 10 defences) plus he’s held every title and the lineal title twice which neither of the other have.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I disagree, there have been worse heavyweight titlists in history than Wilder.

There’s been many in recent years… Martin, Parker, Stiverne, Ruiz Jr, Haye and don’t even get me started on the WBA regular champions.

[Marchegiano]

Nah, you're an idiot.

Pac=Duran? Kiss my ass, Pac's not even ****ing close.

[OnlytheTruth]

he deserves everything he gets after how he has behaved tbh. The most embarrassing behaviour in sports history.

he better be glad that boxing isnt as big as it used to be or else he would be a legitimate global laughing stock.

its not just the bum hunting and belt hostage taking, its not just the absolutely embarrassingly low quality record, its not just the cringe outbursts and threats of murder, its not just the zero skills, its not just the totally corny charisma-less personality or the petulant disgraceful avoidance of responsibility for his losses....

It's the fact that he has done all this while believing that he has been imbued with the "ancestry spirit" of the Bronze Bomber. He said to Fury in their face off "its your God against my god". And that's a huge red flag for me.

****in Voodoo Priest Beyonce lol most of all I can't respect that.

Look yeah, I'm not arguing that Wilder's career has been padded and protected to his own detriment. His excuses are just embarrassing but do you really just want to rant about Wilder or are you looking for people to just agree with you?

I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you but can't be bothered because you're just talking.