inoue is one some kobe beef, canelo is on some mexican beef.....one is organic and all natural, the other PED'd like a motha****a!
Canelo or Inoue, who ranks higher P4P?
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I am a fan of Mike Tyson on the whole, I even seek out some of his interviews today, and watch some of his old fights sometimes as I do for tons of fighters, but he was what he was, and that was a top B level fighter, that was extremely well-matched in a time late-eighties when the HW was not great or full of any depth, and limited big men. Yet a lot of people say that this "mythical" "prime" Mike Tyson is the greatest HW of all time, and even the greatest P4P boxer of all time, when in reality he was top 4 at best, maybe even as low as top 7 of his era at HW.
I’m with you with Tyson being one of the most overrated boxers ever. Still a huge fan, and he was a great attraction. But his skills are more myth than reality. I could go on.
As far as Inoue I really like his stuff. Its hard for me to call him overrated on the same level as I just don’t hear enough brag about him or lofty comparisons against other fighters. He’s also in a lower weight which is less recognized, and most would have a hard time even mentioning his peers throughout history. I love the all action style of Japanese fighters, their heart, their chins, but usually they lack power and defence. Inoue brings power and a level of skill far beyond most Japanese fighters. His win vs Donaire though not easy looks good with Donaire’s latest ko win. But I can’t see how he could ever be above Canelo. If anyone is wanting to learn to box, Canelo is the style all kids should try to emulate and pull off if capable. He throws 90mph fast balls all night. He slips punches. He ****s a guys sides until they flinch right into uppercuts.
What Mike had was the aura, that side when he was unbeaten, and nobody thought he could be beaten, was awesome, and that, coupled with his very exciting and destructive style of fighting made people love him, but facts are facts, and the fact is, he did not come close to being what so many thought he was going to become, and Mike meant so much to so many people, and they still can't accept this, and every loss he had, there is an excuse for, and they don't look at the reality of Mike Tyson's flaws.
Look at Tyson Fury, when the going gets tough, he's a dog that does everything he can to turn the tide, with Mike, as I say, when the going gets tough, Mike gets going, and there are so many examples of this in Tyson's career. Then take the Douglas fight, Douglas didn't just somehow win by a one-punch KO out of the blue, which can happen at HW, he completely outboxed Tyson, beat him up, broke his heart, and knocked him out, and with the exception of Mike getting through once with the knockdown, he completely nullified Tyson's offensive weaponry with a good jab and movement, and it's not like Douglas was a great HW, he was just a good one.
The problems I have with Inoue are, often a lot of the champions in the really low divisions are quite average, so it's easy to rack up title defences, because of this, I feel he didn't have the proper fight experience to deal more easily with a faded, still good, but faded, Nonito Donaire, that fight was right in the balance until the late knockdown. And people putting him top 10, I'm okay with, in reality, I have him like top 20, but so many have him 1,2, or 3, and I just can't see that, even with the eye test, especially not after the Donaire fight. Yes, Donaire got a good win recently, but it was years ago that Carl Frampton schooled him. Inoue was expected to as well, but he didn't, even years later, and that has to be taken into account at this moment in time.
Inoue passes the eye test, his power is phenomenal, but he has a way to go till he's up there with the very best, who have elite wins. I'm sure he learned more from the Donaire fight than he has in the rest of his fights combined, so how he goes from here depends on what he does with that knowledge and the experience of that tough battle.
Totally agree on Canelo, fantastic fighter, and I don't know why people discredit him for the Golovkin fights, Golovkin at that time was elite as well, just like Canelo, and when two elites fight, it is going to be close, and the Mayweather loss, it was wide, but Canelo is a much better fighter now than he was then, and fights at a much higher weight division, which h suits as he is very thick set, but Mayweather was great that night as well, and sure the Lara fight was close, but every boxer in history has close wins on their record, i had Canelo winning it 115-113, I never got the Trout debate, the scores were too wide, but Canelo won clearly.Comment
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Inoue became a three division champion by beating five world title holders, not by beating bums.
Donaire is better than GGG. Donaire has lost one fight at bantamweight in 20 years. He also moved up in weight and challenged himself against bigger fighters.
GGG was gifted all of his titles, never moved up, has a a fake middleweight championship defense record and never fought anyone.
Duh.
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Nicholas Walters was the undefeated wba featherweight champion when he fought Donaire. He knocked out Vic darchiyan in the fight before Donaire. His only loss is to Lomachenko at 130.
Lol way to spin that one.
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Good post. Inoue has traveled 10lbs with 3 div. titles. A bit behind Asian counterparts in Pac considering Manny came from mosquito weight divisions. Canelo has had the bigger gap from 147-154-160-168-175. That's a more dangerous pool or variety than the lower weights whose increments can vary 3lbsTop 10 P4P lists usually, but not always, consists of undefeated fighters who look great against weak opposition. Hence, Crawford is there. But some boxers who look good, or just manage to win against good opposition are sometimes left out. Or put on the lower part of the list. It’s a bit of unfair list to be honest.
It is safe to say that Canelo looks good/gets wins over top opposition. Really the best opponents he can fight, he fought, and beat. He has more of those wins than Inoue.
Inoue has also fought very good opposition, the best he can fight, and looked good beating them. The only time he had a tough fight was really vs Donaire, a future HOFer, and he won.
My point is, no matter who you think actually belongs at number 1, it’s undeniable that both are top 2. They earned their spot.Comment
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Who are these killers Inoue beat? A bunch of nobodies. You're just trying to build them up because you have an agenda you clown.Inoue became a three division champion by beating five world title holders, not by beating bums.
Donaire is better than GGG. Donaire has lost one fight at bantamweight in 20 years. He also moved up in weight and challenged himself against bigger fighters.
GGG was gifted all of his titles, never moved up, has a a fake middleweight championship defense record and never fought anyone.
Duh.
GGG never got embarrassed like Donaire did vs Rigo. GGG never got his face planted to the mat like Donaire did vs Walters. GGG never lost to a bunch of B-C level fighters like Rosendo Sanchez and Walters and Frampton. 6 Losses. Count them 6.Comment
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What's there to spin? He's a part time boxer who probably won't make it into the HOF. He flattened Donaire. Where's the spin?Comment
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