Canelo or Inoue, who ranks higher P4P?

[_Rexy_]

Quote me where I've trashed GGG or called him a bum.

Didn’t use your name. But a large percentage of Canelo fans are the quickest to call Golovkin a fraud and a bum and untalented

[_Rexy_]

Why are they better? It certainly isn’t because of their accomplishments.

Donaire has had one loss at bantamweight in 20 years. Inoue beat him in 2019. His previous loss at bantamweight came in 2001. Its 2021. Thats one loss in 20 years.

I didn’t say Donaire is better than Canelo. He’s better than GGG, which is Canelo’s best win.

Nicolas Walters was an undefeated featherweight champion who had beaten Vic Darchiyan. He wasn’t a part time boxer.

His loss in 2001 (in his second fight, mind you) was at 115. He was undefeated at Bantamweight prior to fighting Inoue.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Why are they better? It certainly isn’t because of their accomplishments.

Donaire has had one loss at bantamweight in 20 years. Inoue beat him in 2019. His previous loss at bantamweight came in 2001. Its 2021. Thats one loss in 20 years.

I didn’t say Donaire is better than Canelo. He’s better than GGG, which is Canelo’s best win.

Nicolas Walters was an undefeated featherweight champion who had beaten Vic Darchiyan. He wasn’t a part time boxer.

Are you really ****** or just pretending? His first fight at Bantam was Dec 2010. Basically 2011. Right before the Montiel fight. He had been fighting at Flyweight before then. The Darchynian fight in 2005 was at Flyweight, I remember that one. Also remember the Montiel fight being at Bantam. And him fighting Jorge Arce a year or two later, which turns out is a higher weight class. So no, that's not 20 years of him competing at Bantam.

[ShaneMosleySr]

He and his opponent weighed in at bantamweight.

He also had multiple fights at batamweight when he campaigning at 115.

Sorey quoted the wrong person.

His loss in 2001 (in his second fight, mind you) was at 115. He was undefeated at Bantamweight prior to fighting Inoue.

[Blond Beast]

I am a fan of Mike Tyson on the whole, I even seek out some of his interviews today, and watch some of his old fights sometimes as I do for tons of fighters, but he was what he was, and that was a top B level fighter, that was extremely well-matched in a time late-eighties when the HW was not great or full of any depth, and limited big men. Yet a lot of people say that this "mythical" "prime" Mike Tyson is the greatest HW of all time, and even the greatest P4P boxer of all time, when in reality he was top 4 at best, maybe even as low as top 7 of his era at HW.

What Mike had was the aura, that side when he was unbeaten, and nobody thought he could be beaten, was awesome, and that, coupled with his very exciting and destructive style of fighting made people love him, but facts are facts, and the fact is, he did not come close to being what so many thought he was going to become, and Mike meant so much to so many people, and they still can't accept this, and every loss he had, there is an excuse for, and they don't look at the reality of Mike Tyson's flaws.

Look at Tyson Fury, when the going gets tough, he's a dog that does everything he can to turn the tide, with Mike, as I say, when the going gets tough, Mike gets going, and there are so many examples of this in Tyson's career. Then take the Douglas fight, Douglas didn't just somehow win by a one-punch KO out of the blue, which can happen at HW, he completely outboxed Tyson, beat him up, broke his heart, and knocked him out, and with the exception of Mike getting through once with the knockdown, he completely nullified Tyson's offensive weaponry with a good jab and movement, and it's not like Douglas was a great HW, he was just a good one.

The problems I have with Inoue are, often a lot of the champions in the really low divisions are quite average, so it's easy to rack up title defences, because of this, I feel he didn't have the proper fight experience to deal more easily with a faded, still good, but faded, Nonito Donaire, that fight was right in the balance until the late knockdown. And people putting him top 10, I'm okay with, in reality, I have him like top 20, but so many have him 1,2, or 3, and I just can't see that, even with the eye test, especially not after the Donaire fight. Yes, Donaire got a good win recently, but it was years ago that Carl Frampton schooled him. Inoue was expected to as well, but he didn't, even years later, and that has to be taken into account at this moment in time.

Inoue passes the eye test, his power is phenomenal, but he has a way to go till he's up there with the very best, who have elite wins. I'm sure he learned more from the Donaire fight than he has in the rest of his fights combined, so how he goes from here depends on what he does with that knowledge and the experience of that tough battle.

Totally agree on Canelo, fantastic fighter, and I don't know why people discredit him for the Golovkin fights, Golovkin at that time was elite as well, just like Canelo, and when two elites fight, it is going to be close, and the Mayweather loss, it was wide, but Canelo is a much better fighter now than he was then, and fights at a much higher weight division, which h suits as he is very thick set, but Mayweather was great that night as well, and sure the Lara fight was close, but every boxer in history has close wins on their record, i had Canelo winning it 115-113, I never got the Trout debate, the scores were too wide, but Canelo won clearly.

Great post. Nice writing. I tell this story as often as I can and I apologize to anyone who bothers to read this and has heard it before. It’s a contrast to what most young fans heard growing up. I loved Mike also. We all did. Had the game. Rented his original late 80s greatest hits vhs a bunch of times. My Dad is a true boxing fan, and his dad was an amateur champ in the old country. He always said Holmes was underrated and a great fighter. Michael Spinks had outboxed Holmes. He hoped Spinks would give Mike a good challenge and try to box him. He told me Spinks was a great light heavy. This gave me pause though, being a child of the 80s physiques and weights were a big selling point back then. So the fight happened. My dad saw it closed circuit. He knew there was going to be trouble when in the locker room Spinks said he wasent afraid of Mikes power. The day after the fight I asked my Dad what happened, he told me. He was disappointed. I felt awful. I knew a boxer needed a foil to make great fights. Yeah knew about Ali v Frazier etc. If Tyson could destroy everyone I knew that wasent great for boxing. I asked my dad if he thought there was anybody out there that could beat Mike Tyson? His eyes light up and he said “Well son there is this guy named Evander Holyfield...” and he stood by that. He took bets at the pub when they finally fought, but only at even odds. He knew Evander would win and he didn’t want to ruin anyone’s night.
He also told me JCJ Sr. fought a lot of taxi cab drivers. But he did respect him. He actually does like Bivol though I haven’t heard him talk about him lately. Im with you, I don’t see too much that makes me really excited about him. My brother saw Tyson Fury’s pro debut, I caught the end of it. He was pimple covered and pear shaped. But we both agreed he’d be HW champ one day. It’s not a surprise. I remember seeing Manny before he fought MAB, he was amazing. Jab Jab straight left. I was telling everyone about this Pinoy who used to wear two different sandals down the street. When MAB showed up with long ****s vs Manny, my brother turned to me and said MAB will lose. There was no doubt. Morales is my favourite fighter, but I think beating Manny had more to do with sticking it to MAB then anything, Anywho that’s enough out of me.

[Damn Wicked]

Canelo is #1

[Blond Beast]

Canelo is the kid from that classic TWILIGHT ZONE episode where you can’t think bad thoughts around him.