Comments Thread For: Hearn: Team Fury Made Zero Attempt To Save The Joshua Fight!

[billeau2]

This letter was written by a group of young kindergarten students in the UK because as aspiring boxing fans, they felt bad for Fast Eddy: After all, with a bevy of lawyers and other negotiators, one can never get good information on what a contract is, by looking at it and seeing the potential ways it could be unenforcable, voidable, etc.... Even from some of the finest minds in law school! So these young people stepped in to help fast eddy because he obviously was not told about the arbitration right?

Dear Mr Hearn:

Our feewings were hurt when you did not know that contracts can be enforced, even if a good man says "wahh wahh I don't wanna do that now." So we looked it up and found a very smart judge to explain it.

Judge Judy told us all about why contracts are enforced! So we told her to call you and explain!

Your aspiring fans

[Corelone]

So you think, Fast Eddie had no lawyers he works with? So when he signs something, or needs to know about international laws, he googles it? Or, if he did have lawyers, brilliant lawyers (they would have to be) helping him negotiate multi million dollar contracts involving many parties....NONE OF THESE LAWYERS TOLD HIM ABOUT ARBITRATION, CONTRACT LAW, OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT A CONTRACT WOULD BE ENFORCED?

The level of ****** on this site is going through the roof...

Nothing caught Eddy by surprise. He saw a crack and tried to take advantage, but I think he raised the ante, even if he didnt win the hand. Eddy knows where the back door is, he'll land on his feet.

[James Hunt]

Arbitration? What arbitration? That judge works for Team Fury. He is Bob Arum's best friend. It was all a face-saving publicity stunt in order to undermine the Joshua/Fury undisputed bout. They never planned on fighting AJ. However, they couldn't find the exact exit route in order to get of it but this so-called alleged arbitration ruling gave them that perfect out. Eddie Hearn just got badly burned, outwitted and out foxed by the old shark. It was like Bob Arum was playing a game of poker with Eddie Hearn while taking him to the cleaners in the process

Right after the AJ v Pulev fight, Fury talked himself into a fight his ass couldn't handle.
And intentionally losing the arbitration is the best possible, and the last at the same time, excuse to bitch out of the fight.
Plus, this whole circus is a good promo for the trilogy, therefore saving Arum from suffering an even bigger loss than with the 2nd fight.
That's what happened.

[786]

So you think, Fast Eddie had no lawyers he works with? So when he signs something, or needs to know about international laws, he googles it? Or, if he did have lawyers, brilliant lawyers (they would have to be) helping him negotiate multi million dollar contracts involving many parties....NONE OF THESE LAWYERS TOLD HIM ABOUT ARBITRATION, CONTRACT LAW, OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT A CONTRACT WOULD BE ENFORCED?

The level of ****** on this site is going through the roof...

That's exactly why I said he didn't like those questions and couldn't give a straight answer, it's also why I said this is where Eddie ****ed up.

Someone with your awful comprehension really shouldn't be calling people ******.

[davefromvancouv]

But I'll ask again...

Fault for what?

What are you blaming him for? Or what has he caused?

Eddie Hearn was running around like a headless chicken, stringing everybody along, never mentioning the fact that undisputed was tied to arbitration. He just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and Wilder slapped his hand away and slapped him upside his head.

Hearn works for Joshua not the other way round and if both fury and Joshua said they wanted the fight and arum said the wilder fight is not happening ...how’s it hearns fault ?

Arum and Warren warned him to shut up, but Hearn just couldn't help himself. Now he's playing the victim and his fans are eating it up.

I think Warren cleared up a lot of things today.

1. Firstly, nothing between Fury and Joshua was signed for Aug 14. It was all verbal talk.
2. Secondly, the agreement reached between Warren, Arum, Hearn, Fury, and Joshua regarding splits, etc. explicitly included the Widler arbitration clause that Hearn signed. So, him claiming that he was lied to or misled by Bob is a lie. Sure thing Bob thought he would win or that the arbitrator would give some compensation, but that's Bob's opinion. The signed document states otherwise.
3. Thirdly, the fight was NOT going to be signed that day or the next. Several things needed to be ironed out including which British broadcaster will telecast and what would be the split.
4. Fourthly, Wilder did NOT ask for any step aside money. So, Eddie claiming that $20M is a wild exaggeration and misleading.
5. Finally, it was agreed upon that both parties will unanimously announce that fight. Eddie kept on giving interviews that the fight is one and will be signed tomorrow or next week when in reality many things remained to be sorted out. The fight could have been later than Eddie was telling everyone unless everything magically came together.

Warren also says that Joshua only has one more fight left with Matchroom. This means that Joshua will be free to negotiate multiple fights and rematches with Wilder and Fury without Hearn complicating things, leading people on and messing things up

[billeau2]

Nothing caught Eddy by surprise. He saw a crack and tried to take advantage, but I think he raised the ante, even if he didnt win the hand. Eddy knows where the back door is, he'll land on his feet.

Yes... Everyone knew what was up. I negotiate for pennies (as a developer) compared to these guys lol! And I have lawyers that tell me about conditions before I sign anything. Now... sometimes things come up, something does catch people. But not something as rudimentary as a possible arbitration decision. Or... if any lawyer looked at the contract they would have told their client "there is a good chance you lose."

They all take advantage then cry foul lol! Yeah...none of these guys will starve either (as you say).

[billeau2]

That's exactly why I said he didn't like those questions and couldn't give a straight answer, it's also why I said this is where Eddie ****ed up.

Someone with your awful comprehension really shouldn't be calling people ******.

Here is what you posted:

"Hearn seems genuinely pissed off and I believe most of what he's saying but he didn't like it when Kugan was asking if he knew the arbitration could stop the fight from happening and whether it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with someone who's in the middle of an arbitration case. He couldn't really give a straight answer, I think he knows he ****ed up there."

You imply that Hearns made a mistake but is basically right to virtue signal that the arbitration was an unknown vis a vis he was "pissed off." That is naive. Hearns had to know exactly what the prospects were for the arbitration. He didn't f u ck up... He made a calculated decision to pursue the fight because it was best for him and Joshua. Put yourself in his shoes: You already have the brass ring and as the carousel turns again, a gold ring is inserted to grab. Do you say "heck, give someone else a chance, I gots me my ring! and heck, that gold ring is more of a stretch." Or do you go for the Gold ring?

The reason he could not get a straight answer is because the only straight answer was acknowledging that the fight was a calculated decision based on the pending arbitration case. And if Fast Eddie said this his many bromances would stop sending flowers because Eddie was looking out for the fans here right? Could have tole everyone "hey the arbitratin looms, but, we will proceed on the chance it falls through." Eddie does not give two s hits for the fans, or for the other parties... he cares about what is best for joshua because he has a stake in it. That is why he pursued this fight... he was told by legal council what the situation was...bet on it.

Sorry i said "******" I just am in disbelief regarding how many here attribute complex moral actions to guys who are operating with their best interests at heart...PERIOD. If it is any concellation it was not a reference to you as a general level of naivete here.

[sunny31]

You have said something quite godly here....you are so very correct when you essentially mention war footing strategy. I don’t know if young Edward had read The Art of War or The 48 Laws of Power but these books are golden for anyone who is on a leadership position controlling large amounts of capital and resources for the intent to increase both....sans a military background. Edward didn’t go to Sandhurst, didn’t serve in the Army, the Royal Navy, or the Royal Marines, he doesn’t understand war footing. He speaks like he does but no leader shows his enemies his arsenal nor does a leader enter into an alliance without contingencies (ie a plan b, c,d,e etc) if and when that alliance fails. Arum was playing young Edward, manipulating him to spend resources and burn time (all his time) to get that fight done...all the while it was public there was an arbitration afoot. The only one who didn’t seem to understand what arbitration meant is Hearn....the man clearly is an amateur at the arts of war played in business which literally mirror the battlefield for a military analyst or what the ancient Greeks would call a “Strategoi”.....a general.
Haymon and Arum are, Hearn is no strategoi. He is a blowhard who likes his face in front of the camera and when you do that you have to have something to say. Hearn I’m had an inherent flaw, and that flaw is “loose lips sink ships” famously personified in himself....

Christ almighty this is a re-do of the Wilder negotiations all over.

Aren't you all clever little businessmen - same absolute bozo opinions of 3 years ago.

"Yes let's screw over the guy who is the cash cow of the division, who makes $20-30 million (in some cases more) a fight with any dance partner to fight each other for less money". Clever.

This would be like Manny pacquiao and JMM fighting each other for $10-20 million and their fans coming out and saying "we showed floyd"

This whole line of thought and opinion is just embarrassing - good business is done with transparency, and mutual trust. We need this old guard out of the sport asap, and I can't believe more people don't see this, hidden agendas and trying to "get one over" on your rivals is everything that is wrong with the sport.

Morons

[786]

Here is what you posted:

"Hearn seems genuinely pissed off and I believe most of what he's saying but he didn't like it when Kugan was asking if he knew the arbitration could stop the fight from happening and whether it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with someone who's in the middle of an arbitration case. He couldn't really give a straight answer, I think he knows he ****ed up there."

You imply that Hearns made a mistake but is basically right to virtue signal that the arbitration was an unknown vis a vis he was "pissed off." That is naive. Hearns had to know exactly what the prospects were for the arbitration. He didn't f u ck up... He made a calculated decision to pursue the fight because it was best for him and Joshua. Put yourself in his shoes: You already have the brass ring and as the carousel turns again, a gold ring is inserted to grab. Do you say "heck, give someone else a chance, I gots me my ring! and heck, that gold ring is more of a stretch." Or do you go for the Gold ring?

The reason he could not get a straight answer is because the only straight answer was acknowledging that the fight was a calculated decision based on the pending arbitration case. And if Fast Eddie said this his many bromances would stop sending flowers because Eddie was looking out for the fans here right? Could have tole everyone "hey the arbitratin looms, but, we will proceed on the chance it falls through." Eddie does not give two s hits for the fans, or for the other parties... he cares about what is best for joshua because he has a stake in it. That is why he pursued this fight... he was told by legal council what the situation was...bet on it.

Sorry i said "******" I just am in disbelief regarding how many here attribute complex moral actions to guys who are operating with their best interests at heart...PERIOD. If it is any concellation it was not a reference to you as a general level of naivete here.

Fair enough, I wasn’t very clear but I’ve been saying Hearn knew about the arbitration since the fight fell through, there’s no way he didn’t know about it. There’s also no way he didn’t think it could jeopardise the fight.

I just meant that he seems genuinely annoyed the fight’s not happening and not ‘for the sake of the fans’.

[Boxingfanatic75]

Hearns cried from the beginning that he was the only one putting in work to make the fight. Slandering Arum and Warren. What a moron! That's because Arum and Warren knew there were arbitration proceedings ongoing, and knew that there was a chance of Fury-Wilder III being enforced. The only one who ignored that, and went licking the toes of Arab princes, was Eddie Hearns. What an eejit! And now he cries about it and tries to blame other people when it was his fault all this happened. Should have waited until the arbitration was through. Funniest part is, they have to risk it all against Oleksandr Usyk now!

That’s like killing your own parents and then crying because you’re an orphan.