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  • TMLT87
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    #11
    Originally posted by Rapscallion

    Dana White took the position that MMA fighters would always beat boxers. That hasn't held true despite almost all of the boxers who've engaged in MMA being either at the tail end of a career or else fully retired. Dana White's reluctance to set up competition between Terence Crawford and a UFC fighter makes me wonder if he ever believed that any UFC fighter could beat each and every boxer in the cage. He certainly isn't acting like he believes it now. ]
    The MMA fighter wont win every time because of punchers chance, but they will win 90% of the time, and usually in pretty quick, dominant fashion. If Crawford could consistently hang in UFC level MMA it certainly wouldnt be through his boxing alone, it'd be his wrestling background allowing him to use his boxing.

    Dana just hates Oscar and is probably tired of Triller trying to use carefully picked UFC names to generate attention for themselves.

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    • Willy Wanker
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      #12
      Originally posted by Jc8804
      Makes no sense . Gsp could easily fight outside the usa in a exhibition boxing match and no government can touch him . Just do it .
      I'm sure the Saudis would love to host a GSP exhibition match.

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      • Dakuwaqa
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        #13
        MMA fighters aren’t beating anyone in boxing. Bunch of jock beefcakes that don’t know how to punch. I watched UFC 262 and I forgot that many of the fights are less refined than Filipino food.

        GSP gets knocked out in a round he has no chin and he looks like a giant crab.

        Dustin Poirier can throw hands and is my boy. Ngannous power is legit.

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        • Willy Wanker
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          #14
          I agree with Silva 100%.

          Silva and GSP were the two superstars that contributed the most to building up the UFC during their boom period.

          Sht move by Dana.

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          • Greg House
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            #15
            Originally posted by Rapscallion

            It's called freedom. Before the seventies, Major League Baseball also was totalitarian, owning its players as if held in slavery; however, once it saw the light of day, and players were no longer its ******, MLB flourished, bringing in revenues never before seen. Why doesn't Dana White see the light and free his UFC ******? You tell me, MicChecka, why should Dana White exercise totalitarian state/slave owner control, over fighters who sign with the UFC. Especially when the fighters are not trying to compete in a rival MMA organization but rather in boxing. Is there any rational reason for this? Or is an insane man exercising dictatorial powers because MMA is throwaway entertainment not worthy of Constitutional protections? In addition, Dana White took the position that MMA fighters would always beat boxers. That hasn't held true despite almost all of the boxers who've engaged in MMA being either at the tail end of a career or else fully retired. Dana White's reluctance to set up competition between Terence Crawford and a UFC fighter makes me wonder if he ever believed that any UFC fighter could beat each and every boxer in the cage. He certainly isn't acting like he believes it now. And as for street fighting, by its very nature, outcomes are far more difficult to predict; however, as I see it, a good boxer/fighter, with KO power, is in a better position to win than a fighter of any other discipline. Why? Because of the need to strike first fastest and hit hardest, enough to make short work of the opponent. But that's only my opinion, and the best we can do on street fighting is time will tell.
            You are clueless. Early UFC events in the 90's with no rules showed all the boxers that competed being taken down and beaten up by wrestlers. "If you don't know how to wrestle, you don't know how to fight" was the saying back then. It was so one sided on every single match that it stopped being a question more than 25 years ago. Now the game evolved and all these wrestlers know how to strike, but they are still no match for a boxer in a boxing ring.

            This guy, GSP, is a wrestler with a karate background that has never boxed in his life, not even amateur. LOL At you getting worked up because Dana is stopping this freakshow of a fight between another wrestler and an actual boxer. We saw it with the youtuber already, how many times do you need to see it to realize is a pointless mismatch?

            Nobody with a brain should care about this mismatches, if you really need to see boxers beating wrestlers in boxing to show off to UFC fans that "boxing won" then you have an inferiority complex towards UFC for their recent popularity. Completely different sports.

            This Anderson dude is a joke who is going to be humilliated and knocked out by Chavez and he doesn't mind it because he has been humilliated and knocked out by upcoming fighters in the UFC for the last 10 years.

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              #16
              Originally posted by MicChecka
              Please explain why BOXING FANS, are disappointed that this fight isn't happening? Do you really think GSP has a chance? Dana is protecting his fighters. I'm sure if GSP wanted to return to MMA, Dana would have no problem. GSP is making good money as an actor.
              Because it is entertainment?

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              • Rapscallion
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                #17
                Originally posted by TMLT87

                The MMA fighter wont win every time because of punchers chance, but they will win 90% of the time, and usually in pretty quick, dominant fashion. If Crawford could consistently hang in UFC level MMA it certainly wouldnt be through his boxing alone, it'd be his wrestling background allowing him to use his boxing.

                Dana just hates Oscar and is probably tired of Triller trying to use carefully picked UFC names to generate attention for themselves.
                Is this (90% of the time) your opinion, or do you have proof? Yes, Crawford might need to use some of his wrestling skill to win; however, it is entirely possible that Crawford would never need to go beyond stand up with any MMA opponent, and until he does, then his boxing skills alone would be sufficient to win. Does a boxer who once wrestled use this skill in the boxing ring? If he's talented enough and smart enough and wants to maximize his chances, he does, but let's be clear, any boxer who ever fought outside of sanctioned boxing has learned fighting skills that he will employ (as much as he can get away with or will be permitted) in the boxing ring. Just as training techniques for other sports can be incorporated into boxing training, so can other fighting skills, and done properly they can be effective in the ring and permitted in the ring (for example, Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Andre Ward). I cannot understand how any knowledgeable fight fan can believe that there are only a specific strict set of fighting skills that are unique to boxing, or that boxing doesn't involve other fighting skills that are also employed in other fight disciplines. Go back to the late nineteenth century and follow boxing as it developed into the early twentieth century and then decade by decade after that. What do you see but that fighters techniques change. Sometimes the rules force change, and other times training (whether strength or endurance or merely a perfection of a once less developed skill) permits employment of techniques which were previously less than successful and once again change takes place. Here's another point: superior and dynamic speed, economy of motion, deft eye to hand skills, and dazzling footwork combined with riveting punching and great strength with a strong sense of self worth in a natural born fighter will win the vast majority of fights regardless of whatever skill set a less talented opponent employs. And is a boxer who knows to keep his legs away from an opponent who desires to get hold of those legs using a fighting skillset other than boxing? Or, is it just using common sense. If my opponent wants to grab my arm and move it this way or that (to his advantage and my disadvantage) am I using another fighting skillset if I don't permit him to do so? If my opponent wants to kick me (head, leg, abdomen, or wherever), am I using another fighting discipline if I duck? If my opponent want to secure control over my head, am I using another discipline if I prevent him from doing so? If my opponent comes within striking range am I using another fighting discipline if I either punch him or perhaps reposition myself to an even greater advantage? Can the fastest puncher deliver a punch faster and under a greater variety of conditions than the fastest kicker? Does punching or kicking deprive a fighter of more of his strength? Which fighter is left in a more vulnerable position when he misses his opponent: the puncher or kicker? And now for a few other questions I'd like answered: Why do many fight fans assume that only UFC approved rules should be allowed? Why isn't biting allowed in the UFC, and how completely would it change fighting styles (the same goes for eye pokes and eye gouging and any other outlawed tactic)? I do understand where you are coming from: a fighter with a greater variety of fighting skills has the advantage over the one with only one or even just fewer; however, as Khabib has shown in the UFC, a fighter who has maximized his discipline can beat the "Jack-of-all-trades" fighter again and again, and I believe that boxers such as Duran, Leonard, Ward and Crawford would be highly successful against MMA opposition.

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                • TMLT87
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Rapscallion
                  as Khabib has shown in the UFC, a fighter who has maximized his discipline can beat the "Jack-of-all-trades" fighter again and again
                  Entirely different because hes an elite wrestler. Wrestling is the single most important discipline in MMA because it gives a fighter the ability to dictate where the fight goes. A pure boxer is going to have a hard time forcing people to fight at their range the way Khabib can force people to fight at his.

                  Hes not even that one dimensional anyway really. A pure wrestler does not have sub offence/defence or GNP skills like he does.

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                  • Dakuwaqa
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TMLT87

                    Entirely different because hes an elite wrestler. Wrestling is the single most important discipline in MMA because it gives a fighter the ability to dictate where the fight goes. A pure boxer is going to have a hard time forcing people to fight at their range the way Khabib can force people to fight at his.

                    Hes not even that one dimensional anyway really. A pure wrestler does not have sub offence/defence or GNP skills like he does.
                    Do you watch Dan Hardy videos my dude?

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                    • TMLT87
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Dakuwaqa

                      Do you watch Dan Hardy videos my dude?
                      No he annoys me.

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