ATLAS blasts BJS: Breaks down history of Greats and their SMASHED Orbital bones

[techliam]

So Atlas is holding BJS accountable for his own words just as I was and just as you were excusing him.

You cuck

Think a bit harder and you might understand actually what I was saying

[-Kev-]

I grew up in a low income neighborhood in a city too. I agree that it's not a shocker that boxing attracts SOME people like that, but most of us knew the difference between right and wrong, and I know for a fact every friend I grew up with has the character to know that what BJS did to that homeless person is absolutely de****able and evil preying on the helpless like that, especially as a grown man. Violence and drugs were common. But what BJS did wasn't that it was just him preying on the weak for a laugh.

The only two people on that list I support are Bud, obviously, and Hopkins. Let's get Hopkins out of the way, he did his time, promised he would be an upstanding man and never go back to that life, and you can't deny that that's what he did. I'm a christian and started going to church more as I got older, so I believe in second chances for everyone. He made the most of that and more, Bernard is an upstanding citizen who does great things for his community in Philadelphia. Let's agree that he beat the odds and is a role model to look up to.

Crawford I really don't want to argue about anymore but I have my opinion on him and genuinely believe him to be a good man.

At the end of the day I don't wish harm on anyone. Hopefully BJS will not talk so tough and criticize fellow boxers who pull out of fights with injuries. I said I'm a christian and believe that any man can repent for their sins, and I hold myself to that standard too when I sometimes rush to judgment for these fighters like BJS, I don't know everything about BJS's background what caused him to do what he did, all I know was it really annoyed me. But I should not be judging anyone or calling anyone an evil scumbag, it's not what I was taught. Hopefully he can realize what he did was wrong, recover with full health, and be a good role model the way Hopkins is.

So Hopkins did his time and he’s free to go in your opinion.

I don’t care if a fan supports a boxer who committed a crime or did something bad in the past. Just saying a ton of pro boxers did something de****able and evil. And you do know that list is not exhaustive right? Supporting or not supporting a fighter on that list is not the point. It’s you pointing out BJS’s crimes against humanity as a reason to critique his boxing career that is messed up.

So you don’t condone what he did or the things he has said...okay then you’re going to need to stop listening to rap now and listen to gospel music only. You’re going to also have to call out Terence Crawford for terrorizing a body shop and berate him for living a life of such high crime that he got shot at 8 different times.

Just saying dude, nothing personal, just saying admit a lot of fighters are not saints and you just can’t pick and choose which criminal activities you want to hide under the rug and which one’s you want to play Judge Joe Brown for.

[Ray*]

The only issue I had with BJS was his video criticising a 22 year old DDD, who fought at least 4 rounds and wasn’t protected by his corner, having to quit on his knee by himself.

Do I want boxers to continue fighting even when compromised like that? Nope… am not the one getting hit in the face, but when you release a video claiming you would continue fighting even with 2 broken eye socket etc then expect people to call you out on it.

Nothing can remove that damage control that all these YouTube phuckers are trying to do for him at the moment.

[Punch on Tap]

So Hopkins did his time and he’s free to go in your opinion.

I don’t care if a fan supports a boxer who committed a crime or did something bad in the past. Just saying a ton of pro boxers did something de****able and evil. And you do know that list is not exhaustive right? Supporting or not supporting a fighter on that list is not the point. It’s you pointing out BJS’s crimes against humanity as a reason to critique his boxing career that is messed up.

So you don’t condone what he did or the things he has said...okay then you’re going to need to stop listening to rap now and listen to gospel music only. You’re going to also have to call out Terence Crawford for terrorizing a body shop and berate him for living a life of such high crime that he got shot at 8 different times.

Just saying dude, nothing personal, just saying admit a lot of fighters are not saints and you just can’t pick and choose which criminal activities you want to hide under the rug and which one’s you want to play Judge Joe Brown for.

You’ve made a lot of great points. Many of which I agree with. I also agree with boxing being a poor mans sport that usually comes with mindsets and actions that are not easily understood by those that aren’t poor. Like boxing itself for god sakes! Boxing is not a rational sport by any means. And outside of the obvious heinous crimes (ie ****,murder, pedophilia, etc), I attempt to separate a man from his actions inside the ring and those outside of it.

Why? One reason is simply because I’d never step into the ring myself. That’s despite being from the worst parts Brooklyn and the Bronx have to offer. And despite being in many fights myself. I still don’t have the crazy in me to do it for a living.

Secondly, I like to be honest with myself. I am basically a Michael Vick of humans. I literally am entertained by two men trying to kill each other. The moment I take the time to dwell on that and why, I’m overwhelmed with humility. I would be a hypocrite to easily point fingers at a mans actions outside the ring when I want him to be the best destroyer of men inside it. Therefore I’m not quick to judge and rather try my best to separate the two parts of that mans life.

As for my analysis of BJS. He isn’t a law enforcement officer, a ruler of the court, a priest/pastor. He’s a wayward man like us all who gets hit in the head for a living. I just want to see him fight again. To dare to be great inside the ring even if he continuously fails. I might even hope he gets his other eye socket broken by another fighter.

It’s the story of a boxer that intrigues me and directs how I ultimately end up judging them as men. I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticize him or that we have to be accepting of his behaviors. I’m just saying we have to lower our standards.

[Clegg]

Why compare him to greats?
he is not a great fighter. Hold him to his own standards

BJS told us his standards are "I would fight on through 2 broken eye sockets etc."

The video does talk about Ali but it also compares BJS to Rosado so it's not just the greats.

[TernceBudCharlo]

So Hopkins did his time and he’s free to go in your opinion.

I don’t care if a fan supports a boxer who committed a crime or did something bad in the past. Just saying a ton of pro boxers did something de****able and evil. And you do know that list is not exhaustive right? Supporting or not supporting a fighter on that list is not the point. It’s you pointing out BJS’s crimes against humanity as a reason to critique his boxing career that is messed up.

So you don’t condone what he did or the things he has said...okay then you’re going to need to stop listening to rap now and listen to gospel music only. You’re going to also have to call out Terence Crawford for terrorizing a body shop and berate him for living a life of such high crime that he got shot at 8 different times.

Just saying dude, nothing personal, just saying admit a lot of fighters are not saints and you just can’t pick and choose which criminal activities you want to hide under the rug and which one’s you want to play Judge Joe Brown for.

Thats not my opinion about Hopkins, it's a fact. As an American society and in bible studies we place a value on repentance for sin. It's not my opinion that he's free to go, he IS free to go. He served his time, apologized, and has never been accused of doing anything like that again.

I don't support any boxer who has done something "de****able and evil." I'll watch anyone fight and watch it with neutrality. That won't impact my honest assessment of the fighter's skills. I support fighters like Andre Ward, Demetrius Andrade, Joe Smith Jr, Roman Gonzalez, Jean Pascal - I don't think any one of them has done anything like that. What am I hiding under the rug for these fighters? None of them have done anything. I don't judge fans who support boxers who have done bad things either, but I am inspired by people who overcame the odds like Ward and dedicated their life to Christ and being the best version of themselves they could be.

Not trying to pick and chose what I want to hide, with Billy I felt great personal offense to was seeing what he did to that homeless man. I do a lot of work for the homeless where I live and that hit me very hard. That's like saying if he had done something like that to a disabled man and you had a disabled spouse anyone would feel the same way.

[TernceBudCharlo]

You’ve made a lot of great points. Many of which I agree with. I also agree with boxing being a poor mans sport that usually comes with mindsets and actions that are not easily understood by those that aren’t poor. Like boxing itself for god sakes! Boxing is not a rational sport by any means. And outside of the obvious heinous crimes (ie ****,murder, pedophilia, etc), I attempt to separate a man from his actions inside the ring and those outside of it.

Why? One reason is simply because I’d never step into the ring myself. That’s despite being from the worst parts Brooklyn and the Bronx have to offer. And despite being in many fights myself. I still don’t have the crazy in me to do it for a living.

Secondly, I like to be honest with myself. I am basically a Michael Vick of humans. I literally am entertained by two men trying to kill each other. The moment I take the time to dwell on that and why, I’m overwhelmed with humility. I would be a hypocrite to easily point fingers at a mans actions outside the ring when I want him to be the best destroyer of men inside it. Therefore I’m not quick to judge and rather try my best to separate the two parts of that mans life.

As for my analysis of BJS. He isn’t a law enforcement officer, a ruler of the court, a priest/pastor. He’s a wayward man like us all who gets hit in the head for a living. I just want to see him fight again. To dare to be great inside the ring even if he continuously fails. I might even hope he gets his other eye socket broken by another fighter.

It’s the story of a boxer that intrigues me and directs how I ultimately end up judging them as men. I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticize him or that we have to be accepting of his behaviors. I’m just saying we have to lower our standards.

Being entertained by 2 humans fighting does not make you Michael Vick. I do not support this idea that just because we grew up in the worst parts of the city means we don't know the difference between right and wrong. Watching 2 grown men CONSENSUALLY compete in a combat sport is very very very very different from taking pleasure in watching another man take the life of an unwilling victim.

[techliam]

BJS told us his standards are "I would fight on through 2 broken eye sockets etc."

The video does talk about Ali but it also compares BJS to Rosado so it's not just the greats.

Fair enough. Rosado is probably a fair comparison

Saunders is a total prat in and out of the ring. Should be slammed for his talk about Dubois. He was proven wrong the hard way

But in general, he shouldn’t be called a quitter for his injury… as he wasn’t right about Dubois in the first place. Those who fight on with injuries like that should be celebrated instead of it being the expectation

[billeau2]

We are talking about a man who make a homeless person strip down on camera while he was pretending to be a police officer. These are the actions of a complete and utter coward. He is exactly the names I called him and more, a bully who preys on the vulnerable.

Two different issues entirely... The Greeks believed that what made us happy, was good, and that subsequently doing bad is ignorant. Hence those who were heroic were necessariy good because they inspired goodness. This makes Greek philosophy easy to understand and start with. But we live in an ethically/morally complex world... We understand that there are guys who were inspiring in the ring, who beat their wives... Etc. The fact that Billy Joe is of questionable character is not related to suffering such an injury and the ability/lack of ability to soldger on.

[Punch on Tap]

Being entertained by 2 humans fighting does not make you Michael Vick. I do not support this idea that just because we grew up in the worst parts of the city means we don't know the difference between right and wrong. Watching 2 grown men CONSENSUALLY compete in a combat sport is very very very very different from taking pleasure in watching another man take the life of an unwilling victim.

I wasn’t exactly being literal. Of course I don’t want to see any man get killed. If you know anything about dogfighting it’s not about the dog dying. It’s about the fight in the dog. We do the same with the two men that enter the ring. We all want to see knockouts and brutality. Lie to yourself if you want.

Secondly, and I’ll dumb it down I guess. If you’re truly from poverty and low income areas...you’ll know that right and wrong is a very blurry line. I’ll never take for granted my level of consciousness and intelligence. I’ll never expect people in the worst conditions in society to have the same as everyone else in society. Like I said, some things are inexcusable...but just because you can throw punches doesn’t mean you know how to conduct yourself perfectly outside the ring. Understanding and accepting are two different things.