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  • #41
    Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
    So none of the media reports about GGG’s record are accurate and they will all be corrected and not included in the press release when he’s elected to the hall of fame?

    Exactly.

    And anyway, you’re criticizing GGG for not moving up in weight. Which means he does receive criticism for not moving up in weight.

    Just like Mayweather does.


    GGG was a media darling so of course the media is going to cover for him. Doesn't change the FACT that they are counting a secondary title as a "real" title defense, which is absurd.

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    • #42
      I don’t believe the WBA regular title is the real title.

      But every pretend now.

      For example, everyone counted Canelo’s win over Fielding as a real title too.

      He was called a four division champion after the Kovalev win.

      This weekend’s unification fight involves the WBA’s second place fighter.

      It sucks.

      Originally posted by El Más Loco View Post

      GGG was a media darling so of course the media is going to cover for him. Doesn't change the FACT that they are counting a secondary title as a "real" title defense, which is absurd.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
        I don’t believe the WBA regular title is the real title.

        But every pretend now.

        For example, everyone counted Canelo’s win over Fielding as a real title too.

        He was called a four division champion after the Kovalev win.

        This weekend’s unification fight involves the WBA’s second place fighter.

        It sucks.


        There was no Super champ for those. So the regular was the highest WBA title. Meaning he was the WBA champ. It's pretty simple, whoever has the highest WBA belt is the WBA champ.

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        • #44
          Floyd resume is a million billion trillion times better than canelos

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          • #45
            Callum Smith was the super champion when Fielding lost his regular title to Canelo.

            And there is a super champion at 122 but saturdays bout is a unification anyway.

            Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View Post

            There was no Super champ for those. So the regular was the highest WBA title. Meaning he was the WBA champ. It's pretty simple, whoever has the highest WBA belt is the WBA champ.

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            • #46
              Show them how it's done then. Become a pro boxer, move up multiple weight classes and fight the best.

              If you want something done right, do it yourself.

              Show cowards like RJJ, Mayweather, and Canelo what it is to have balls of steel bro.

              Plus you will have all of boxingscene's 68 like-minded fans rooting for you.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
                You’re supposed to move up in weight and fight the best each weight class has to offer until you lose.

                You’re supposed to fight absolutely everyone who’s there to fight.

                This is how you push yourself to be the best. This is how you make history and gain respect.

                That’s what I understood until the turn of the century.

                Roy Jones was the first to realize he could get away with not doing this because he had media and fans on his side.

                Jones fought Ruiz and got a belt at heavyweight so he could compare himself to Bob Fitzsimmons.

                Then he ran away from the division because he knew he’d get knocked out if it stayed.

                He also avoided Darius Michalczewski and Michael Nunn at 175, which means he really avoided his greatest challenges at 175 and above.

                But if you realize how history remembers Roy Jones, no one questions why he didn’t fight Lennox Lewis or those two light heavyweights.

                Everyone just says he’s one of the best to ever do it and one of three men to go 160 to heavyweight. (Also worth noting Toney gets the same treatment and no one cares about the PEDs with Toney.)

                Floyd Mayweather also perfected this art.

                Mayweather waited to move up and didn’t fight the superstars of the world until much later, when it benefitted him. He fought De La Hoya a year before the end of his career. He could have fought Mosley in 1999. They fought in 2010. Pacquiao could have happened in 2008 but it happened in 2016. Etc. Etc. Etc.

                If he fought a young superstar, a la Canelo Alvarez, it was when he was too green.

                Mayweather also stopped moving up in weight for some reason, even with a modern peer who many times wins the “who’s greater?” debate because he kept going up in weight.

                Why didn’t Mayweather challenge at 160? Every great before him would have pushed to do that.

                Why didn’t Mayweather ever fight a slick boxer that was taller and longer than him?

                Everyone else would have met that challenge at some point in their career. Not Mayweather.

                He made a conscious decision to avoid those situations. He wanted to argue he was the best ever instead of proving it.

                Canelo is doing the same thing, after he took a huge risk fighting Mayweather early in his career.

                He’s aging people out, fighting at catchweight, avoiding Black Americans, entering and exiting divisions to win titles when it’s convenient for him, stopping short of certain weight divisions and avoiding the biggest fights out there.

                I yearn for how boxing used to be. But at least I get to see everyone go undefeated now! Hooray!
                Kind off reaching here don't you think?

                sure we could all slate or say boxer A ducked boxer B etc and so on...

                truth is sometimes there are many obstacles and conflicts off interests etc aside from just avoiding fights when it comes to boxing in general..

                Slating 3 fighters whose ring accomplishments and records not to mention legacies speak for themselves while you may have a point on some is just well ridiculous considering the circumstances regarding the fights which were available and the outcomes at the time...

                I mean if you still see it all as cowardice or ducking etc then okay it is what it is we can't help it if you're smoking something really strong and it's making you a little cuckoo at times..

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                • #48
                  As much of a critique as I am of Floyd I think he would have jumped at the opportunity to fight Oscar early on. But he wasn't able to elevate his career like that until he left Top Rank. Bob thought he couldn't be a big star considering his run away style. He wasn't wrong imo. But Bob underestimated how much being an undefeated villain sells.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
                    GGG set the record for most consecutive middleweight title defenses.

                    If Mayweather set that record at 147 or 154, how could I criticize him?

                    Kovalev only staying in one weight likely hurts his legacy.


                    no GGG didnt..you slam Floyd and Canelo but sit here and praise a guy over "REGULAR" title defenses when there was a "SUPER" champ?? how can you rationlize that?? he has a horrible resume but you sit here and trash Floyd and Canelo?

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                    • #50
                      Oscar went to 160 so what?? he was much larger then Floyd..who ever expected him to go to 160?? Floyd and Shane were never in position to fight until Floyd went to 147 and Shane has a tooth ache at first

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