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  • Roy Jones was a scared little girl, Mayweather took it a step further and Canelo has perfected the art

    You’re supposed to move up in weight and fight the best each weight class has to offer until you lose.

    You’re supposed to fight absolutely everyone who’s there to fight.

    This is how you push yourself to be the best. This is how you make history and gain respect.

    That’s what I understood until the turn of the century.

    Roy Jones was the first to realize he could get away with not doing this because he had media and fans on his side.

    Jones fought Ruiz and got a belt at heavyweight so he could compare himself to Bob Fitzsimmons.

    Then he ran away from the division because he knew he’d get knocked out if it stayed.

    He also avoided Darius Michalczewski and Michael Nunn at 175, which means he really avoided his greatest challenges at 175 and above.

    But if you realize how history remembers Roy Jones, no one questions why he didn’t fight Lennox Lewis or those two light heavyweights.

    Everyone just says he’s one of the best to ever do it and one of three men to go 160 to heavyweight. (Also worth noting Toney gets the same treatment and no one cares about the PEDs with Toney.)

    Floyd Mayweather also perfected this art.

    Mayweather waited to move up and didn’t fight the superstars of the world until much later, when it benefitted him. He fought De La Hoya a year before the end of his career. He could have fought Mosley in 1999. They fought in 2010. Pacquiao could have happened in 2008 but it happened in 2016. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    If he fought a young superstar, a la Canelo Alvarez, it was when he was too green.

    Mayweather also stopped moving up in weight for some reason, even with a modern peer who many times wins the “who’s greater?” debate because he kept going up in weight.

    Why didn’t Mayweather challenge at 160? Every great before him would have pushed to do that.

    Why didn’t Mayweather ever fight a slick boxer that was taller and longer than him?

    Everyone else would have met that challenge at some point in their career. Not Mayweather.

    He made a conscious decision to avoid those situations. He wanted to argue he was the best ever instead of proving it.

    Canelo is doing the same thing, after he took a huge risk fighting Mayweather early in his career.

    He’s aging people out, fighting at catchweight, avoiding Black Americans, entering and exiting divisions to win titles when it’s convenient for him, stopping short of certain weight divisions and avoiding the biggest fights out there.

    I yearn for how boxing used to be. But at least I get to see everyone go undefeated now! Hooray!

  • #2
    This has to be your worst thread. Cong****!

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    • #3
      because floyd is just an average fighter.. better against washed fighters. maybe in his younger years he fought some but later on he cherrypicked and ducked so he would look like the best.

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      • #4
        The first fight Floyd had at 135 was against the best in the division. The first fight he had at 154 was the best in the division. Shane flat out refused to fight him because of a toothache.

        The only weight he didn’t fight the best at when he moved up was 147.

        Are you sure this is a legitimate complaint?

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        • #5
          I don’t remember complaining about Mayweather fighting Castillo or De La Hoya.

          He never moved up to 160 and aged everyone out is the complaint against him.

          Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
          The first fight Floyd had at 135 was against the best in the division. The first fight he had at 154 was the best in the division. Shane flat out refused to fight him because of a toothache.

          The only weight he didn’t fight the best at when he moved up was 147.

          Are you sure this is a legitimate complaint?

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          • #6


            ........boo this man
            "You supposed to move up and stay there till you get decapitated"
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
              I don’t remember complaining about Mayweather fighting Castillo or De La Hoya.

              He never moved up to 160 and aged everyone out is the complaint against him.
              That is a dumb complaint.

              You’re not an idiot. Don’t be so eager to make a point that you forget basic boxing logic.

              Duran , for example, didn’t go up just because he was brave. He went up because he lacked discipline, drugged and drank, and got too heavy. Let’s not falsely reward that.

              Hagler and ggg are not scared of 168, they are disciplined and trained constantly and maintained their weight through their careers.

              Floyd moved up as far as he could. I get you wanted to see him lose and at 160 he’d be more likely to lose.

              But the dude didn’t drink or do drugs and stayed in great shape by always training. That is why he never went to 160.

              come on man, can we set aside the bitterness and hate when looking at this?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                The first fight Floyd had at 135 was against the best in the division. The first fight he had at 154 was the best in the division. Shane flat out refused to fight him because of a toothache.

                The only weight he didn’t fight the best at when he moved up was 147.

                Are you sure this is a legitimate complaint?
                i agree with this..

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                • #9
                  Terrible lol


                  Canelos first real fight at 168 was Callum Smith who was rated the best at 168
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                  • #10
                    I think he should have won a title at 160 so he could have claimed to be a six division champion.

                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post

                    That is a dumb complaint.

                    You’re not an idiot. Don’t be so eager to make a point that you forget basic boxing logic.

                    Duran , for example, didn’t go up just because he was brave. He went up because he lacked discipline, drugged and drank, and got too heavy. Let’s not falsely reward that.

                    Hagler and ggg are not scared of 168, they are disciplined and trained constantly and maintained their weight through their careers.

                    Floyd moved up as far as he could. I get you wanted to see him lose and at 160 he’d be more likely to lose.

                    But the dude didn’t drink or do drugs and stayed in great shape by always training. That is why he never went to 160.

                    come on man, can we set aside the bitterness and hate when looking at this?

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