Comments Thread For: Canelo's Stoppage of Saunders Reignites Boxing Debate About Quitting

[stellen]

Go back towhat saunders said about dubois. It has come back to humiliate the loud mouth gypsy turd. He should live by what he says and at least retire. He all but called dubois a coward for retiring with what is basically the same injury. Karma is wonderful aint it billy bob!!

[gooderz84]

It shouldn't even be a choice.

Suspected orbital fracture... should be as much "fight over" as not being able to defend yourself.

In boxing we leave a lot of the injury withdrawals to either the boxer or the trainer. Boxers make bad decisions, and we've seen with Dubois that trainers aren't always fit to make those calls. In my opinion these decisions should pass to the doctor.

Oh, and Dubois' trainer should never be allowed in a corner again.

Ironic that Tibbs is now Dubois trainer. He could have done with pulling out against Joyce.

A real shame that Saunders face gave way like that I thought he was doing superbly. He wasn't winning the fight but he was giving a great account of himself. Unfortunately in this age, if you mouth off it's all there in print for people to pull up when you get beat.

I don't think we'll see him in the ring again. Very wealthy and very accomplished.

Canelo next? Beterbiev? Plant for all the marbles? Golovkin trilogy? he's running out of opponents!

[M111]

Got bog all to do with either trainers or cut men. They’re not equipped to diagnose fractures which can be masked by inflammation and not as obvious as Billy’s was. The ringside doctor should be making those decisions. It shouldn’t be left to trainers who can have their own motivations and not the best interests of the fighters ongoing health.

[KillaMane26]

Only other fighters have the right to criticize a fighter for quiting. It's that simple

[Lefty0616]

Saunders looked for a reason to get taken out of the fight and he took it. While he had some success against Canelo, once he felt the increased pressure and power...and once he had one really tough/bad round, he looked for a way to get off the hook. It looked as though, crushed orbital bone or not, he was in seriously bad shape and at risk of getting knocked out in the next round. His cut man worked diligently to reopen Saunders eye.....and he got it open. His corner was preparing Saunders to go back out there to go to war with Canelo. But Saunders looked for a way to get out of the fight, and his corner granted his wish. I wanted to see if Saunders could have tried to continue for at least one more round, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps his injury was that serious. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. What I did learn about Saunders though is, he isn't the real deal. He's like a handful of fighters that pad their records, get a couple of lucky victories, make a lot of money, contend, even win a belt and then retire....leaving a lot of fans to debate as to whether that fighter was legitimately great or not. Saunders has proven that he isn't capable of beating any top, world class fighter - with power. If he demands a rematch....perhaps I'll feel differently......But I don't think he will.

[Verus]

Enough with this talk about "cowards" from keyboard warriors. As much as I find Saunders to be a completely detestable human being, he is not a coward! Buffoon yes! Low life yes! Knuckle dragger yes! Coward no! Calling Plant and other fighters with sketchy resumes cowards is wrong. Above all, boxing is a sport and a business. It is not the field of battle where cowardice results in the death of others. Get a grip, folks! As much as I would like to see some of these fighters get their comeuppance, I don't want them to lose their lives and limbs to that some jackasses watching from the comfort of their home, or at some bar, satisfy their blood lust fantasy. Boxing is a real-life sport. It is not a video game.

[thack]

BJ now realises he was wrong. For him or anyone else to fight on with such a serious life changing , potential career ending injury would be total madness. We the fans are here to watch a sport , which is already extremely dangerous , not to see someone go blind and sometimes these brave guys like BJ need protecting from themselves.

[Jab jab boom]

End of the day, we see why canelo has faced so many British and euro fighters recently. Aside from ggg, many of them fold when under duress. Fighters have different approaches. Some are literally willing to die, and others know when they’re outgunned and choose not to fight on. That can either be by finding a way out of the fight like Yidilgrim, just trying to survive and not actually win like smith or choosing not to continue like Saunders. We saw Kovalev fold as well prior to his fight with canelo. To each his own. Either way, that’s why 168 became the right division to go to for Canelo, especially once Benavidez was out of the picture.

[tokon]

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Canelo's Stoppage of Saunders Reignites Boxing Debate About Quitting

BY COREY ERDMAN
Published Mon May 10, 2021, 01:58 AM EDT17 comments
Billy Joe Saunders spent the better portion of the week leading up to his bout with Canelo Alvarez doing everything he possibly could to pester his opponent.

Days before the fight, Saunders insisted he was prepared to bow out of the contest if the size of the ring wasn’t increased to at least 22 feet. Organizers were forced to believe him, or at least prepare for the possibility that he was serious, and arranged for both John Ryder and Carlos Gongora to be on-site in Arlington, TX as emergency backup opponents.

Despite his proclamations, Saunders remained at the fight hotel, wandering around the lobby in a Versace robe, taunting Canelo, mocking Mexican reporters’ command of the English language, and generally doing anything he could to irritate his foe and get him to fight a different fight than he normally would.

Ultimately, Saunders got what he asked for. The ring size was increased, and Canelo did fight differently on Saturday night, albeit not in a way advantageous to Saunders. The sport’s pound-for-pound king fought with the obvious intention of not just stopping Saunders, but hurting him—something he wound up doing in a serious manner.

Canelo dialed back his punch output to a career-low according to CompuBox, opting to instead throw his heaviest power shots nearly each and every time he moved his hands. When he found Saunders along the ropes in the ring designed for Saunders to stay off of them, he wailed Saunders with single hooks to the body. When Saunders hunched over close to him looking for a body shot, Canelo uncorked uppercuts meant to end the fight with one shot.

In the eighth round, that shot connected. Canelo slipped Saunders a right jab and hit him with a right uppercut so hard that one could almost see his hand sink into Saunders’ face in real time. It harkened memories of the right hand Rocky Marciano landed on Jersey Joe Walcott, the photo of which has lived on in boxing lore, in which Walcott’s face disfigures upon impact. Immediately, Saunders staggered back and cameras captured his eye closing in an instant.

Suddenly, no ring could have been big enough for Saunders to escape. In his own bit of pre-fight bluster, Canelo and trainer Eddy Reynoso had predicted a knockout “between rounds eight and ten,” and he was about to prove his prophecy.

Canelo motioned to the crowd with both gloves to hype them up in between combinations thrown at a reeling Saunders. As Saunders looked more and more ragged, Canelo gestured more, like a pro wrestler telling the audience he was about to perform his finishing maneuver. Except in this case, the finisher was already performed. According to promoter Eddie Hearn, Saunders had suffered a zygomatic complex fracture of his orbital bone upon impact. Injuries of this nature can cause loss of eyesight, and in treatment can cause a reshaping of one’s face and an appearance of one’s eye being inset, as seen in Antonio Margarito following his orbital bone break suffered at the hands of Manny Pacquiao.

"I knew it. I think I broke his cheek. I got to the corner and I told Eddy he's not coming out because I think I broke his cheek, and that was it,” Canelo said in his post-fight interview with DAZN’s Chris Mannix.

At the end of the round, Saunders sat down in front of his trainer Mark Tibbs who observed the gruesome injury.

"I wasn't getting the response that I needed to send the guy out," Tibbs told Radio Rahim of SecondsOut following the bout. "He can't see nothing coming against a pound-for-pound great. It was my call. He was disappointed, he was gutted, but he never argued with me."

In the aftermath of the fight, the discussion has been less about Canelo keeping his promise of scoring a stoppage in a particular set of rounds, and more about Saunders not living up to promises he had made earlier in his career.

“My right hand to God. If I can win this fight Saturday night and say goodbye to the kids,

I will leave the Earth,” said Saunders prior to the bout, insinuating that he was prepared to die in order to win the bout.

More specifically, Saunders’ comments regarding heavyweight contender Daniel Dubois, who took a knee in his most recent bout with Joe Joyce after fracturing his orbital bone, have been unearthed and presented as evidence of hypocrisy.

"Before I go on one knee I’d like to go out on my back with my pulse stopped," Saunders told DAZN's AK & Barak Show in 2020. "If my two eye sockets were broken, my jaw was broken, my teeth were out, my nose was smashed, my brain was beaten, I was not stopping until I was knocked out or worse. I don’t agree with a man taking the knee and letting the ref count him out.”

Karma's a ***** Billy . . .

[whollisboxing]

Billy Joe Saunders spent the better portion of the week leading up to his bout with Canelo Alvarez doing everything he possibly could to pester his opponent. Days before the fight, Saunders insisted he was prepared to bow out of the contest if the size of the ring wasn't increased to at least 22 feet. Organizers were forced to believe him, or at least prepare for the possibility that he was serious, and arranged for both John Ryder and Carlos Gongora to be on-site in Arlington, TX as emergency backup opponents.
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I’m just gonna leave these right here....

https://www.badlefthook.com/platform...lose-right-eye

https://www.spin.ph/boxing/margarito...-a793-20200329