Canelo needs to beat two black boxers convincingly to be an ATG

[Boxing>MMA]

All black boxers around his weight class are bums. you are a moron for even bringing bull**** like this up. hahahaah charlo and andrade. you are truly an idiot. did you see andrades last fight?

[DaNeutral.]

Charlo and Andrade get held back because of systemic racism in boxing. How come HBO promotes GGG to be this big superstar, despite beating nobodies, but not Andrade and Charlo? That got him the Canelo fight. Same with Sergey Kovalev. And all of these guys. Canelo has privilege because he has the benefit of being the A side, even before he fought anybody with a pulse. When he fought Trout he had 50,000 screaming fans all there cheering for him despite him never beaten ANYONE. But nobody supports Andrade or Charlo. This is just the reality of being an African American boxer, people do not support you.

Again, the president of the United States will admit this, how come you can't?

Hahaha ha, you are seriously embarrassing yourself. How many African Americans are there? More than 70 thousand? Are African Americans racist against African Americans? Alot of Mexicans want to watch Canelo, where are the African Americans for Charlo?

Or, put the racism down and just accept nobody cares about American Boxers. Which white American Boxers do better than the black ones you keep leg humping?

Fkking racism lol. Mike Tyson is a black American, RJJ is a black American, they fought a pointless fight as old men and broke over a million PPV's. So it's not a colour issue.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Hahaha ha, you are seriously embarrassing yourself. How many African Americans are there? More than 70 thousand? Are African Americans racist against African Americans? Alot of Mexicans want to watch Canelo, where are the African Americans for Charlo?

Or, put the racism down and just accept nobody cares about American Boxers. Which white American Boxers do better than the black ones you keep leg humping?

Fkking racism lol. Mike Tyson is a black American, RJJ is a black American, they fought a pointless fight as old men and broke over a million PPV's. So it's not a colour issue.

Those are ANECDOTES. Pointing to Mike Tyson's success as evidence that there is no systematic racism is like pointing to the fact that ***** was president. It's meaningless.

HBO tried to hype up Kelly Pavlik back in the day over Bernard Hopkins, even though Hopkins was equally as much an American successs story.

Mike Tyson and Roy Jones had to wow people with performances above and beyond what anyone else would be required to do to get the respect of the American public. HBO hypes up fighters like GGG, Canelo, Kovalev, Manny Pacquiao for doing far less than Tyson and Roy.

[DaNeutral.]

Those are ANECDOTES. Pointing to Mike Tyson's success as evidence that there is no systematic racism is like pointing to the fact that ***** was president. It's meaningless.

HBO tried to hype up Kelly Pavlik back in the day over Bernard Hopkins, even though Hopkins was equally as much an American successs story.

Mike Tyson and Roy Jones had to wow people with performances above and beyond what anyone else would be required to do to get the respect of the American public. HBO hypes up fighters like GGG, Canelo, Kovalev, Manny Pacquiao for doing far less than Tyson and Roy.

LOL, not for a minute am I saying systematic or institutionalised racism doesn't exist. What I am saying as you are throwing it around recklessly attributing it where ever you please.

Canelo is a bigger star because of racism is your argument and it is laughable. If you need to bring it down to race then see it as the Mexicans in America flock to watch their man so blame black Americans for not bothering to do the same.

I ask again, which white American fighters are getting a better deal of things compared to the black fighters?

[TernceBudCharlo]

LOL, not for a minute am I saying systematic or institutionalised racism doesn't exist. What I am saying as you are throwing it around recklessly attributing it where ever you please.

Canelo is a bigger star because of racism is your argument and it is laughable. If you need to bring it down to race then see it as the Mexicans in America flock to watch their man so blame black Americans for not bothering to do the same.

I ask again, which white American fighters are getting a better deal of things compared to the black fighters?

I never said Canelo didn't earn it, but he has privileges that Andrade and Charlo do not benefit from and that is a fact. This is the SYSTEM which has always held African American fighters to a higher standard, otherwise you'd see HBO, espn, everyone hyping up Andrade and Charlo.

White American fighters, just look at UFC and how they get supported.

[-Kev-]

Mayweather outboxed Canelo but it really was not dominating at all. It is not exactly a fight that will go down as a must see. Like Jones-Hopkins I. It was just simply a scoring points type of fight. Canelo was trying to fight smart against a guy who had mastered the art of boxing smart. It was an intelligent counterpuncher/boxer vs an even more intelligent counterpuncher/boxer. And Canelo is clearly not the type of fighter to "go all out" and brawl. So I highly doubt any version of Canelo would beat Floyd. Unless he all of a sudden comes in fighting like Maidana, like a wild mad man. Because Canelo will always try to outsmart, counter, land heavy power punches on his opponents, he probably will never be able to beat Floyd.

But sorry, Canelo beat Trout and Lara fair and square. Kind of easy to score when one guy is landing ineffective jabs, and the other guy is outlading you in power punches. Get it through your heads...judges will not give you rounds for landing jabs when your opponent was landing power shots on you. If a fighter wins a round based off of just landing jabs, his opponent probably did absolutely nothing that round.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Mayweather outboxed Canelo but it really was not dominating at all. It is not exactly a fight that will go down as a must see. Like Jones-Hopkins I. It was just simply a scoring points type of fight. Canelo was trying to fight smart against a guy who had mastered the art of boxing smart. It was an intelligent counterpuncher/boxer vs an even more intelligent counterpuncher/boxer. And Canelo is clearly not the type of fighter to "go all out" and brawl. So I highly doubt any version of Canelo would beat Floyd. Unless he all of a sudden comes in fighting like Maidana, like a wild mad man. Because Canelo will always try to outsmart, counter, land heavy power punches on his opponents, he probably will never be able to beat Floyd.

But sorry, Canelo beat Trout and Lara fair and square. Kind of easy to score when one guy is landing ineffective jabs, and the other guy is outlading you in power punches. Get it through your heads...judges will not give you rounds for landing jabs when your opponent was landing power shots on you. If a fighter wins a round based off of just landing jabs, his opponent probably did absolutely nothing that round.

It was dominating, Mayweather was landing clean punches. I don't think Alvarez was trying to box smart, even if he decided to just march forward 'He cannot do that'.

Mayweather exploited Alvarez's, lack of gears, movement and stamina.

[PinkGod]

Mayweather outboxed Canelo but it really was not dominating at all. It is not exactly a fight that will go down as a must see. Like Jones-Hopkins I. It was just simply a scoring points type of fight. Canelo was trying to fight smart against a guy who had mastered the art of boxing smart. It was an intelligent counterpuncher/boxer vs an even more intelligent counterpuncher/boxer. And Canelo is clearly not the type of fighter to "go all out" and brawl. So I highly doubt any version of Canelo would beat Floyd. Unless he all of a sudden comes in fighting like Maidana, like a wild mad man. Because Canelo will always try to outsmart, counter, land heavy power punches on his opponents, he probably will never be able to beat Floyd.

But sorry, Canelo beat Trout and Lara fair and square. Kind of easy to score when one guy is landing ineffective jabs, and the other guy is outlading you in power punches. Get it through your heads...judges will not give you rounds for landing jabs when your opponent was landing power shots on you. If a fighter wins a round based off of just landing jabs, his opponent probably did absolutely nothing that round.

Lol, We must've watched 2 different fights because Mayweather DOMINATED AlvaRoid!

[TernceBudCharlo]

LOL, not for a minute am I saying systematic or institutionalised racism doesn't exist. What I am saying as you are throwing it around recklessly attributing it where ever you please.

Canelo is a bigger star because of racism is your argument and it is laughable. If you need to bring it down to race then see it as the Mexicans in America flock to watch their man so blame black Americans for not bothering to do the same.

I ask again, which white American fighters are getting a better deal of things compared to the black fighters?

I also see you are using the words systematic and institutionalized, so I don't have to explain to you the difference between those things versus just calling someone a racist. So you understand how it works at a basic level. Again, I am not saying Canelo or his fans are racist I am saying that the INSTITUTIONS of boxing are the exact same institutions we talk about when we say institutionalized racism is real.

[DaNeutral.]

I never said Canelo didn't earn it, but he has privileges that Andrade and Charlo do not benefit from and that is a fact. This is the SYSTEM which has always held African American fighters to a higher standard, otherwise you'd see HBO, espn, everyone hyping up Andrade and Charlo.

White American fighters, just look at UFC and how they get supported.

What privileges does Canelo benefit from? Would you say Andrade and Charlo have achieved the same as Canelo has in the sport?

To he honest I don't know why I'm bothering, racists such as yourself are too deep in the racial narrative tunnel of blame and self pity to only see racism where there is racism, you also need to see it where it isn't.