On the Whole, Are American Boxing "Fans" The Worst Fans?

[KingGilgamesh]

Not sure how Americans can laugh at others losing considering no Americans were involved in Smith/Canelo or Joshua/Ruiz 1. I laugh at Americans for being proud that they spend tens of millions of dollars more to watch the same fights, that I pay a quarter to watch. Its like enjoying being robbed.

Just to pre-empt the whole 'Ruiz is American'. Ruiz prefers to be known as Mexican, rather than American. It must be too much of an embarrassment.

I never said anything about fighting Americans, I said that Americans picked up interest and both fighters lost in poor performances. And, even then, lets not sit and pretend Ruiz wasn't born in America, lives and trains there. Lets cut the nonsense.

[OnlytheTruth]

I never said anything about fighting Americans, I said that Americans picked up interest and both fighters lost in poor performances. And, even then, lets not sit and pretend Ruiz wasn't born in America, lives and trains there. Get the **** out of there with that horse****.

Well, actually you did - and then you just immediately contradicted yourself.

Living and training in America doesn't make you MORE American. Fury is training in Vegas right now - 100% not American. Golovkin, lives and trains in US - 100% Kazakh. Lomachenko, so many.

Ruiz said he's Mexican. Anyone who's anyone calls him Mexican. He is dubbed the first Mexican HW Champion. He's so Mexican, he's a Taco. He's Mexican.

[KingGilgamesh]

Well, actually you did - and then you just immediately contradicted yourself.

Living and training in America doesn't make you MORE American. Fury is training in Vegas right now - 100% not American. Golovkin, lives and trains in US - 100% Kazakh. Lomachenko, so many.

Ruiz said he's Mexican. Anyone who's anyone calls him Mexican. He is dubbed the first Mexican HW Champion. He's so Mexican, he's a Taco. He's Mexican.

Ruiz has spent pretty much his entire life living in California. He was born in America. He is, by ****ing definition, an American. Seriously? Are we really doing this? By that logic is Fury Irish and not British? The dumb **** you clowns try and peddle man, seriously.

You people never cease with your asinine ******ity.

[Ray*]

The prominent boxers minus maybe Fury and Taylor have ALL underperformed or just straight been washed once they stepped on American shores. The reason why MMA isn't an issue is because no one sits there inflating the egos and resumes of MMA fighters because, by and large, they don't get to spend a lot of their career fighting B-tier fighters only to get outclassed when they meet a truly live dog. The problem isn't Hearn boxers losing, its Hearn boxers being made out to be something special. Look at what happened to the likes of Smith and Joshua, not only were they beaten but their performances were kind of embarrassing. Hearn builds up a lot of these guys like they're a big deal, Americans pick up interest and then they laugh when those same guys don't deliver.

The money issue is one to acknowledge though.

Losing isn’t an issue, especially when you are testing yourself against the best at your level. This is why British boxers have fights against their domestic rivals early in their careers, lose and move on even with a loss. Bentley and cash are fighting this week and both are undefeated and at an early stage of their careers, Kongo and Morrison did the same thing on the undercard of Povetkin v Whyte.

That’s my point, losing a fight doesn’t mean the end of your career or doesn’t mean you are a euro bum, and promoters are there to talk up their fighters; that’s their job. So whether it’s Hearn, Arum, Warren etc it’s irrelevant. Let what they do in the ring speaks for itself.

MMA is thriving at an alarming rate in America because they put on competitive fights, I know their model is not great for boxing because they don’t co-promote. But boxing in America doesn’t help itself with the other side of the streets thing, hence why they have people from social media tapping in to the market.

Ray Leonard was 25 when he fought a 22 year old Hearns, Spence and Bud are in their early 30s, Charlo and Boo Boo the same and they haven’t even fought each other yet.

And you have the next generation coming up in Ennis and Ortiz, who they should be fighting in their early to mid 30s....

But let’s obsess about how “Hearn is making these boxers out to be something special”

[Ray*]

Well, actually you did - and then you just immediately contradicted yourself.

Living and training in America doesn't make you MORE American. Fury is training in Vegas right now - 100% not American. Golovkin, lives and trains in US - 100% Kazakh. Lomachenko, so many.

Ruiz said he's Mexican. Anyone who's anyone calls him Mexican. He is dubbed the first Mexican HW Champion. He's so Mexican, he's a Taco. He's Mexican.

Trained in Mexicali in Mexico as an amateur, represent them at the Olympics, went to Mexicali school, so yeah if the man says he is Mexican then who am I to argue with him? Margarito was born in America, Cotto was born in America... Etc

[OnlytheTruth]

Ruiz has spent pretty much his entire life living in California. He was born in America. He is, by ****ing definition, an American. Seriously? Are we really doing this? By that logic is Fury Irish and not British? The dumb **** you clowns try and peddle man, seriously.

You people never cease with your asinine ******ity.

Well we obviously are 'doing this' as you seem to just want to try and be right and get the last word in - which I just can't have.

If Fury calls himself Irish - ok, he's Irish. It makes no odds to me.

Lets put it another way that you might understand - and if you want to throw some insults out - If you want to act like a massive cvnt, then I can only agree that you are a massive cvnt because you are acting like that. If Ruiz acts Mexican, he's Mexican. If Fury acts Irish, he's Irish - its totally up to you and them. All I can say is; all of the above is true if you and them choose to be.

Asinine and ******ity mean the same thing - so you might want to rethink trying to look clever whilst calling others ******. SMH. Now if where to say 'You people never cease with your asinine opinions' that would make sense.

Now back to the original point - you shouldn't laugh at people losing in the ring if you aren't, yourself, in the ring.

Here endeth the lesson.

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Matchroom fans are the worst fans in boxing, closely followed by Wilder fans.

Americans are probably the best fans in boxing, at least they're willing to call a spade a spade, UK fans have this weird nationalistic thing going, whereas you're expected to support ALL British boxers despite how rubbish most of them are.

[BLASTER1]

I agree, most of the bandwagoners are casuals who can only determine a fighters skill or greatness is by their 0, like you said it's the easiest way to do so. But, I do think that some of the bandwagoners are educated boxing fans. I've seen guys on the forum talk about Lomachenko before the Teofimo fight as a ATG, and someone even said that Lomachenko could beat Prime Mayweather, which is ridiculous. Keep in mind, I still acknowledge the fact that these are educated fans, to an extent. After Loma's loss to Teo, then I hear that "Hes washed up, he was never that good since he lost to Salido and Teo, etc." This is what I mean, even some educated American fans switch sides quickly. You can look on the forum right now, nobody is talking about Lomachenko anymore, he's no longer a praised fighter like before, that is also what I mean by fickle. Anyways, thanks for the response!

Not many fighters get talked about unless they have a fight coming up.
Loma just had his fight posted into a thread and got like 80 responses just in this forum.
So I understand what ya saying but you have to keep in mind the context of the situation.