Comments Thread For: Sulaiman Stands Firm on Creating "Franchise" Title, Explains The Concept

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah man, they 100% care about belts, because they don't know how garbage things are. They just think a belt means its the best guy in the world. They don't know that ****ing everyone has a belt that they won vacant in a fight between the #6 and #9 guys in one of sixteen divisions. Even older fans, like my dad who stopped watching years ago will ask "is it a title fight?" when he visits and I want to watch a fight with him. He has no idea that there are FOUR bodies now, and each body has 2-7 champs. Think of a guy like Yarde who had an undefeated record fighting plumbers until he got a title shot against the fourth best light heavyweight.

They don't even know what belts are which bruh. Its confusing & virtually impossible to make sense of it. Casuals care about NAMES not belts. And they care about high level competitive fights. There are a sh^tton of belt fights casuals give zero fooks about. I suppose undisputed or multiple belt fights have more appeal, but casuals are hip to the every fight is a title fight selling of a TV event bs in 2021. Its not 2003 anymore.

[just the facts]

For fans trying to understand why Franchise Champ never made any sense. Canelo is above the belts and doesn't need to surround himself DUCK theory since he already went through it with the GGG saga. Sulaiman knew GBP wasn't going to be suckered into some purse bid for Jermall Charlo and he was scared that Canelo would be advised to vacate and not give Charlo a hefty split

...try and wrap up your head with the WBC/Haymon/Wilder protection clown fest:

POLITICS Why is Dillian Whyte not mandatory for Deontay Wilder? Dominic Breazeale fight explanation
-by Michael Benson

Deontay Wilder has been ordered to make the next defence of his WBC heavyweight title against mandatory challenger Dominic Breazeale.

The sanctioning body made this ruling on Wednesday, with no mention of what it means for Britain’s Dillian Whyte – who had previously been ordered to fight Breazeale himself.

This situation stems back two-and-a-half years and is explained in full below.

In August 2016, the WBC ordered an ‘interim’ title fight and final eliminator between Alexander Povetkin and Bermane Stiverne to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

On fight week in December 2016, Alexander Povetkin failed a drugs test and so this bout was cancelled. Povetkin was therefore removed from the picture.

In September 2017, Stiverne agreed to fight Breazeale (on the undercard of Wilder’s November defence against Luis Ortiz) and the WBC sanctioned this bout as the new final eliminator to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

The following month, Luis Ortiz failed a drugs test and so was ruled out of the Wilder fight. Stiverne was then elevated to face Wilder in November and this became the mandatory defence.

As a result, Breazeale agreed to fight Eric Molina instead and this bout was sanctioned by the WBC as a final eliminatory to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger, after Stiverne.

In November 2017, Wilder beat Stiverne and Breazeale beat Molina. Therefore Breazeale became Wilder’s next mandatory challenger – though this would not be due until late 2018.

By early 2018, Whyte had begun to rack up a series of semi-notable wins and climbed the WBC rankings to the number one spot.

In April 2018, the WBC ordered Whyte to fight Ortiz as a final eliminator to determine Wilder’s second mandatory (after Breazeale).

As this bout gave no immediate assurances, Whyte instead opted to take a fight with Joseph Parker in July 2018 instead.

At their convention in October 2018, the WBC decided to allow Wilder to fight Tyson Fury in December, so long as the winner then faced mandatory challenger Breazeale.

Wilder vs Fury was a controversial draw and so in January 2019, the WBC ordered an immediate rematch.

To satisfy the mandatory challenger Breazeale and number one contender Whyte, the WBC also ordered them to fight for an ‘interim’ title and as a final eliminator to solidify Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

However, in February 2019, Fury opted out of the Wilder rematch.

Therefore, the WBC have now scrapped the Breazeale vs Whyte ‘interim’ title fight and instead ordered Wilder to face Breazeale next – as he was mandatory to begin with.

This is a disappointing situation for Whyte because he is now left out in the cold, waiting for the next WBC mandatory opportunity to come around, unless he pursues another route.

If Canelo is above the belts, why did he chose to fight Yildrim?

[Rbs3rd]

We Be Crooks

[Thuglife Nelo]

If Canelo is above the belts, why did he chose to fight Yildrim?

Just like Floyd didn’t have the IBF in beating Brook, he wasn’t Undisputed at 147 regardless if he beat Flyboy PAC. Same with Andre Ward who wasn’t Undisputed because he didn’t fight Stevenson. To be Undisputed you require all the hardware in your possession or else industry can’t coin you as Undisputed

[BodyBagz]

''Or her.....''

[just the facts]

Just like Floyd didn’t have the IBF in beating Brook, he wasn’t Undisputed at 147 regardless if he beat Flyboy PAC. Same with Andre Ward who wasn’t Undisputed because he didn’t fight Stevenson. To be Undisputed you require all the hardware in your possession or else industry can’t coin you as Undisputed

The difference is Ward and Floyd fought the tougher champion and both were above the belts, not Canelo. He'd rather take the easy way and avoid the tough competition.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The difference is Ward and Floyd fought the tougher champion and both were above the belts, not Canelo. He'd rather take the easy way and avoid the tough competition.

Your circumstancial rebuttal doesn’t make any sense but that’s expected from chain snatchers. . Yildirim was a mandatory or else Canelo wouldn’t be able to unify all the hardware. Therefore your comprehension is rather poor in our conversation. In other words, you’re using strawman tactics. Berto, Guerrero, Maidana; all lesser competition than BJS and Plant. Don’t make the facts easy to represent. Otherwise you’re just blabbing general information. Both Floyd and Canelo fought difficult competition.

[_Rexy_]

They don't even know what belts are which bruh. Its confusing & virtually impossible to make sense of it. Casuals care about NAMES not belts. And they care about high level competitive fights. There are a sh^tton of belt fights casuals give zero fooks about. I suppose undisputed or multiple belt fights have more appeal, but casuals are hip to the every fight is a title fight selling of a TV event bs in 2021. Its not 2003 anymore.

The Tank/Santa Cruz fight was billed Two Titles in Two Weight Classes! Two Champions!

both had WBA regular belts though

[Eff Pandas]

The Tank/Santa Cruz fight was billed Two Titles in Two Weight Classes! Two Champions!

both had WBA regular belts though

Idk what you are getting at here. Both of those guys were name guys & like I said undisputed or unification being used to hype a fight IS probably the new "title fight" of trying to pump up casuals. You know champ vs champ. I doobt it helped much.

I think names & competitive fights bring in fans more than anything else by a mile. Granted almost everyone here was seeing this as a cherry pick more or less, but I think casuals seen it as more competitive & based on how the fight went I'd argue they were more right than folks here as it was competitive til the KO that ended it.

Why isn't the random title fight between non-names blowing up if casuals are into belts so much?

[_Rexy_]

Idk what you are getting at here. Both of those guys were name guys & like I said undisputed or unification being used to hype a fight IS probably the new "title fight" of trying to pump up casuals. You know champ vs champ. I doobt it helped much.

I think names & competitive fights bring in fans more than anything else by a mile. Granted almost everyone here was seeing this as a cherry pick more or less, but I think casuals seen it as more competitive & based on how the fight went I'd argue they were more right than folks here as it was competitive til the KO that ended it.

Why isn't the random title fight between non-names blowing up if casuals are into belts so much?

Fair, I guess I should say it "sweetens the pot" then.