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  • #11
    For fans trying to understand why Franchise Champ never made any sense. Canelo is above the belts and doesn't need to surround himself DUCK theory since he already went through it with the GGG saga. Sulaiman knew GBP wasn't going to be suckered into some purse bid for Jermall Charlo and he was scared that Canelo would be advised to vacate and not give Charlo a hefty split

    ...try and wrap up your head with the WBC/Haymon/Wilder protection clown fest:

    POLITICS Why is Dillian Whyte not mandatory for Deontay Wilder? Dominic Breazeale fight explanation
    -by Michael Benson


    Deontay Wilder has been ordered to make the next defence of his WBC heavyweight title against mandatory challenger Dominic Breazeale.

    The sanctioning body made this ruling on Wednesday, with no mention of what it means for Britain’s Dillian Whyte – who had previously been ordered to fight Breazeale himself.

    This situation stems back two-and-a-half years and is explained in full below.

    In August 2016, the WBC ordered an ‘interim’ title fight and final eliminator between Alexander Povetkin and Bermane Stiverne to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

    On fight week in December 2016, Alexander Povetkin failed a drugs test and so this bout was cancelled. Povetkin was therefore removed from the picture.

    In September 2017, Stiverne agreed to fight Breazeale (on the undercard of Wilder’s November defence against Luis Ortiz) and the WBC sanctioned this bout as the new final eliminator to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

    The following month, Luis Ortiz failed a drugs test and so was ruled out of the Wilder fight. Stiverne was then elevated to face Wilder in November and this became the mandatory defence.

    As a result, Breazeale agreed to fight Eric Molina instead and this bout was sanctioned by the WBC as a final eliminatory to determine Wilder’s next mandatory challenger, after Stiverne.

    In November 2017, Wilder beat Stiverne and Breazeale beat Molina. Therefore Breazeale became Wilder’s next mandatory challenger – though this would not be due until late 2018.

    By early 2018, Whyte had begun to rack up a series of semi-notable wins and climbed the WBC rankings to the number one spot.

    In April 2018, the WBC ordered Whyte to fight Ortiz as a final eliminator to determine Wilder’s second mandatory (after Breazeale).

    As this bout gave no immediate assurances, Whyte instead opted to take a fight with Joseph Parker in July 2018 instead.

    At their convention in October 2018, the WBC decided to allow Wilder to fight Tyson Fury in December, so long as the winner then faced mandatory challenger Breazeale.

    Wilder vs Fury was a controversial draw and so in January 2019, the WBC ordered an immediate rematch.

    To satisfy the mandatory challenger Breazeale and number one contender Whyte, the WBC also ordered them to fight for an ‘interim’ title and as a final eliminator to solidify Wilder’s next mandatory challenger.

    However, in February 2019, Fury opted out of the Wilder rematch.

    Therefore, the WBC have now scrapped the Breazeale vs Whyte ‘interim’ title fight and instead ordered Wilder to face Breazeale next – as he was mandatory to begin with.

    This is a disappointing situation for Whyte because he is now left out in the cold, waiting for the next WBC mandatory opportunity to come around, unless he pursues another route.

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    • #12
      No. This is what we need. There are 4 main Orgs, they are not going away.

      WBC CHAMPION
      WBA CHAMPION
      WBO CHAMPION
      IBF CHAMPION

      Unification fights or fights between CHAMPIONS supersede mandataries.

      To be mandatory for a belt, you must hold at least two wins over top 15 opponents within the rankings of that Organisation. This will stop contenders from avoiding each other.

      No Franchise, no regular, so super, no interim, no diamond, no intercontinental. I'm sick of seeing bums with irrelevant belts around their waists.

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      • #13
        Eat a **** Fatboy.
        Marchegiano Marchegiano likes this.

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        • #14
          What a load of **** he speaks , WBC survives on its long history prior to this YouTube/ Instagram era that has helped to ruin our sport as we knew it . What young Sulamen is doing now is cheapening the once respected world governing body .

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Deus View Post

            Wouldn't; really work though would it? All that would lead to is power hungry promoters then picking up the pieces of those titles to then claim they have champions.
            Exactly.

            The sport is beyond fooked up outside the ring. Nothing makes sense & I give less fooks about outside the ring bs than I've ever given. Why ANYONE pays attention to all these B titles & sub belts is beyond my understanding. All I really care about outside the ring in regards to who's the best is who's #1 or who are the top couple guys in deeper divisions where #1 is unclear or highly disputable. Belts mean you are top ten these days, it used to mean you were top 4, then it meant top 3 & before my time it meant you were top 2 or #1 through out most of boxing history.

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            • #16
              Anyone with half a brain knows that the franchise title all stemmed from when the wbc tried to enforce ggg as canelos mandatory which then resulted in canelo dropping his belt and throwing an anti wbc fit like a spoiled child. The wbc worked hard to try and rebuild a relationship with canelo again for money reasons, and once canelo was in the same predicament again with charlo being his mandatory, the wbc created the franchise title to avoid another standoff where they’d have to strip canelo for not wanting to face a mandatory. Simple as that.

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              • #17
                So the wbc "franchise" champion = the wba "champion-in-recess" = an actively fighting wbc "champ emeritus"

                Got it. So it's a fake title, and cannot be used as a claim for undisputed. Hear that Teo?

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                • #18
                  Took this ****sucker 2 years to determine what this ******ed belt means.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post

                    Exactly.

                    The sport is beyond fooked up outside the ring. Nothing makes sense & I give less fooks about outside the ring bs than I've ever given. Why ANYONE pays attention to all these B titles & sub belts is beyond my understanding. All I really care about outside the ring in regards to who's the best is who's #1 or who are the top couple guys in deeper divisions where #1 is unclear or highly disputable. Belts mean you are top ten these days, it used to mean you were top 4, then it meant top 3 & before my time it meant you were top 2 or #1 through out most of boxing history.
                    because the sport is marketed to casuals. Us die hards are what? 15-20% of the viewers? And they know no matter how much we ***** and complain, we tune the **** in Saturday night like the masochistic fans we are. They are appealing to people like "omg did you know Fury wore dumbells under his gloves for his last ten fights? What a cheater. Mike Tyson is P4P #1 of all time, and I will argue that to the death regardless of the fact that I've never heard of any of the fighters you claim are better."

                    and casuals will tune in for a title fight. They've basically made it so every card on every network on every weekend has at least one title fight.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Jab jab boom View Post
                      Anyone with half a brain knows that the franchise title all stemmed from when the wbc tried to enforce ggg as canelos mandatory which then resulted in canelo dropping his belt and throwing an anti wbc fit like a spoiled child. The wbc worked hard to try and rebuild a relationship with canelo again for money reasons, and once canelo was in the same predicament again with charlo being his mandatory, the wbc created the franchise title to avoid another standoff where they’d have to strip canelo for not wanting to face a mandatory. Simple as that.
                      yeah, basically.

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