Paulie Malignaggi Rips Into Van Hoy Over Scoring Excuses

[Samadafish]

How cud paulie not get it ? This fight was the same as the klassen vs Guerrero,& Jacobs vs smith one dominated the other with foot work jabs & angles & the other just landed some good shots from time to time. Shudda gone the same way as the Jacobs fight & the Guerrero fight.

[The_Italian]

Compu box doesn't count toward scoring fights it should never be invovled in an arguement about judging fights.

sure doesnt but there are a few things its good for...

unlike judging there is no opinion involved. it is purely the FACTS who attempted how many punches, who landed how many. per each round, etc. etc. etc.

it also gives you a general idea of how a fight went (even if you never saw it). when you attempt 300 something more punches in a fight than someone who is KNOWN as a volume puncher what does that tell you? if gives you an idea that the volume puncher got outpunched.

when paulie attempts 109 punches (in the first round) to a mere 53 or 56 (whatever it was) attempts from diaz who do you think most likely would deserve that round? not to mention paulie landed 12 more punches (or something comparable to that) in that round. mmm...tough decision...unless your gale van hoy...he must of just shook it off and said, "oh well...im giving this round to diaz".

[Santo Domingo]

sure doesnt but there are a few things its good for...

unlike judging there is no opinion involved. it is purely the FACTS who attempted how many punches, who landed how many. per each round, etc. etc. etc.

it also gives you a general idea of how a fight went (even if you never saw it). when you attempt 300 something more punches in a fight than someone who is KNOWN as a volume puncher what does that tell you? if gives you an idea that the volume puncher got outpunched.

when paulie attempts 109 punches (in the first round) to a mere 53 or 56 (whatever it was) attempts from diaz who do you think most likely would deserve that round? not to mention paulie landed 12 more punches (or something comparable to that) in that round. mmm...tough decision...unless your gale van hoy...he must of just shook it off and said, "oh well...im giving this round to diaz".

Italian,

If you hit me with ten soft punches,but I hit you with six hard ones....who is winning?

[SceneSpectator!]

GBP and Diaz need to give Paulie a rematch in New York. Look what Paulie did in a small ring just! Let Malignaggi fight Diaz in a big ring and Diaz might not win 3 rounds!

Co-sign! A rematch in much equal ground would settle this issue once in for all! Then let Gale to go around the judges so he would learn how to score next, at least in a bun-eating competition!

[Santo Domingo]

How cud paulie not get it ? This fight was the same as the klassen vs Guerrero,& Jacobs vs smith one dominated the other with foot work jabs & angles & the other just landed some good shots from time to time. Shudda gone the same way as the Jacobs fight & the Guerrero fight.

K

That is the key question. And what the judges must explain. Van Hoy in particular.

Earlier in the night, you were rewarding the busier fighter with the better ring generalship. Even though he wasn't landing the heavier punches. Ok, fine. That is the style you prefer.

But then an hour later, you COMPLETELY switch your criteria and you reward the less active fighter who was supposedly throwing the heavier punches. WTF??

[Toney Loc]

Italian,

If you hit me with ten soft punches,but I hit you with six hard ones....who is winning?

Whoever is the Houston fighter.

[neils7147933]

You can see Gale Van Hoy's scorecards from here:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...1573&cat=judge

Nothing too outrageous aside from the Malignaggi fight. He was a judge in the recent controversial Chris John-Rocky Juarez draw though.

You can see where he's often at odds with the other judges. He's also the judge that had James Toney 115-112 over Samuel Peter in the first fight whereas the other two had it easily for Peter...(a lot of folks had this fight going to Toney though)

He scored the split decision Taylor win over Spinks 117-111

When it comes to Juan Diaz, back on 5-10-2003 when he stopped Eleazar Contreras Jr, two of the judges had it scored 95-94, 1 point apart, Van Hoy had Diaz up by 5 points 97-92

He also had Juan Diaz beating Michael Katisidis 116-112. The other two judges, one had it 115-113 for Diaz, the other 115-113 for Katsidis. I remember that fight. It was very even, 8-4 for Diaz was a bit excessive there too

[Soundtraveler]

Out of the total punches he threw how many were jabs?

You cant win close round on jabs alone.

Italian,

If you hit me with ten soft punches,but I hit you with six hard ones....who is winning?

Well Santo, in a street fight harder punches win - but in boxing where you get credit for punches LANDED (unless of course the fight is in Texas and the fighter landing more isn't) then the 10 softer punches, means you are getting outworked...

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Italian,

If you hit me with ten soft punches,but I hit you with six hard ones....who is winning?

u can hit someone with 10 soft punches & get hit with one hard one that knocks you down u lose the round. but the real dilemma in this fight is there was no knock downs & paulie didnt really overwhelm diaz, then again diaz is not really a hard puncher.

[TheGreatA]

You can see where he's often at odds with the other judges. He's also the judge that had James Toney 115-112 over Samuel Peter in the first fight whereas the other two had it easily for Peter...(a lot of folks had this fight going to Toney though)

He scored the split decision Taylor win over Spinks 117-111

When it comes to Juan Diaz, back on 5-10-2003 when he stopped Eleazar Contreras Jr, two of the judges had it scored 95-94, 1 point apart, Van Hoy had Diaz up by 5 points 97-92

He also had Juan Diaz beating Michael Katisidis 116-112. The other two judges, one had it 115-113 for Diaz, the other 115-113 for Katsidis. I remember that fight. It was very even, 8-4 for Diaz was a bit excessive there too

I don't think any of those scorecards were as terrible as the 118-110 card. All of the judges have had some odd scores but in this case it was just terrible.

114-114 in the first Forrest-Mora fight was a bit questionable though since from what I remember Mora won quite clearly.

What Gale Van Hoy's record does indicate is that he has scored Diaz's fights from the beginning and might have a bias for him.