What Does a COTTO Win over MANNY PACQUIAO Mean?

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  • dans
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    #171
    Originally posted by Horus
    like I told IMAZED.

    Being compared to somebody doesnt mean you have to be equals...

    In that case, Why do you guys compare Cotto to Mayweather
    Why do you guys compare Margarito to Mayweather
    Why do you guys compare Williams to Mayweather
    Why do you guys compare Berto to Mayweather
    Why do you guys compare Mosley to Mayweather


    None of them come close to Mayweather.
    Even Pacquiao is not an equal to Mayweather....

    But you compare these fighters to each other because at some point
    they were in similar positions weather it is weight class, rankings, etc...
    and in similar circumstances weather it be they fighting the same fighter somebody else has fought.

    Comparisons doesnt anything to do about being equal or better than somebody.

    Comparison has to do with linking things together that share similarities..

    learn some **** in your life before you want to question comparisons.
    To be perfectly honest. Not siding with anyone here. I'm a Cotto fan through and through, watched him come up the ranks. This is a great post. Being serious here.

    Mayweather skill wise is highly above all the above mentioned fighters. Accomplishments wise he is the best of the bunch with Pacquiao trailing by a little bit. But Mayweather has skill that these guys will never have.

    Given his skill level, he's easily a top 10 fighter of all time, accomplishments wise he's a little lower but if he adds a few more names it's going to be tough to deny him that. I think the max potential for the above mentioned fighters is probably top 20 (Pac), next to that maybe Mosley and he might not even be top 100.

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    • IMDAZED
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      #172
      Originally posted by savorduhflavor
      Nah. He's gotta do more than just beat Pac.

      If he beats Floyd, than yea. Or, if he beats Pac, and doesn't get a Floyd fight, he's gotta beat Mosley again and avenge his loss to Margarito. Than he's on Tito's level.
      I tend to agree. The Margarito loss hurts him but even with that I'd have to lean towards Tito. Both are incredibly fearless though.

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      • Ravishing
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        #173
        Originally posted by Horus
        Good logic...but this logic doesnt work on boxingscene...
        in which no fighter should fight fighters bigger than or smaller than them..

        you must understand the logic before you understand the arguments

        understand ?
        Well, when the smaller guy (Pacquiao) has been beating guys bigger than him in impressive fashion on a consistent basis, it raises questions about how he would fare if he were to keep fighting bigger and stronger fighters. Cotto's been fighting the toughest Welterweights the last 2 years, Pacquiao's been going up and down in weight for his last 3 fights consisting of weight classes ranging from 135-147 in which he has 3 KO wins in.

        Not too complicated, is it?
        Last edited by Ravishing; 08-10-2009, 08:06 PM.

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        • Horus
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          #174
          Originally posted by Danny Gunz
          When is this guy ever gonna get off his high horse??

          Like i said earlier YOU are talking about pac and hatton as if they are equals, acting as if cotto beating pac would make pac just another undersized fighter fighting at welterweight, which is just ignorant to pac's abilities and to cotto's win.

          Hatton and pac have both been a junior welterweight champ moving up to fight at welterweight but thats about the only thing they have in common.

          And why dont you get into a fight before you decide you know so much about boxing

          And by the way its whether not weather *******.
          either you dont know how read and comprehend what a comparison is ...
          or you are just ignorant plain and simple.
          and maybe you are just quite possibly ******.


          Once Again,

          Comparisons doesnt anything to do about being equal or better than somebody.

          Comparison has to do with linking things together that share similarities.

          Ricky and Manny Both were lineal 140 champions who challenge for the ww titles and so on and so on, etc etc.....So thus their is a comparison, do you get it?

          damn you can be this ignorant..

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          • IMDAZED
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            #175
            Originally posted by Horus
            either you dont know how read and comprehend what a comparison is ...
            or you are just ignorant plain and simple.
            and maybe you are just quite possibly ******.


            Once Again,

            Comparisons doesnt anything to do about being equal or better than somebody.

            Comparison has to do with linking things together that share similarities.

            Ricky and Manny Both were lineal 140 champions who challenge for the ww titles and so on and so on, etc etc.....So thus their is a comparison, do you get it?

            damn you can be this ignorant..
            There's no ying without yang, Hoeus. You can't compare without contrasting - especially when you raise the issue on a ****ing forum. How old are you? Come on, man use your head for a second and stop telling everyone to quit using theirs.

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            • Danny Gunz
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              #176
              Originally posted by Horus
              either you dont know how read and comprehend what a comparison is ...
              or you are just ignorant plain and simple.
              and maybe you are just quite possibly ******.


              Once Again,

              Comparisons doesnt anything to do about being equal or better than somebody.

              Comparison has to do with linking things together that share similarities.

              Ricky and Manny Both were lineal 140 champions who challenge for the ww titles and so on and so on, etc etc.....So thus their is a comparison, do you get it?

              damn you can be this ignorant..
              ok fine thats your comparison... its a dumbass comparison but whatever.

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              • DonTaseMeBrah
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                #177
                Its a great win because even though its not pacquiao's best division pac's far from being washed up, shot, & sluggish at the weight. Pac has fought at 147 & even though it was vs a fighter on the way out he looked good.

                You add Pacquiao's recent & current standing in the sport as a p4p 1# fighter & the fact that in 5 years & 10 fights before the cotto fight he's 10-0 w/ 7tko/ko's & he's widely seen in his prime.....


                = a great win for miguel cotto. Not to mention he's beating a first ballot hall of famer & all time great who is in his prime.


                I see what u trying to do with this question in terms of comparing it to mr.counterfeit cash's win vs ricky but pac fought at 140 just like ricky. But ricky doesnt have the decorations & stature that pac has & is not on winning streak & did not look impressive as pac did at 147 so....

                cotto win vs pac>>>>>>>>>>>mr.counterfeit cash win vs ricky.

                Nice subtle move there mr. boatsareagreatinvestment.

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                • Primal Instinx
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                  #178
                  Originally posted by Horus
                  laughable?

                  Ricky Hatton was undefeated
                  Ricky Hatton was lineal champion at 140
                  Ricky Hatton was the former WBA Welterweight champion of the world
                  Ricky Hatton was P4P #5 in the world
                  and it laughable to compare the 2007 version of Ricky Hatton to Pacquaio.

                  right

                  I am not saying Hatton is better than Pacquaio..but how is it laughable to compare the two... when they are in similar circumstances..and in similar positions ..

                  do you understand what comparisons are about...?
                  Ricky Hatton was totally exposed in the Collazo fight and lost that fight hands down. Mayweather saw how horrible those 7lbs were and took that fight because he saw weaknesses and Money...Floyd is a great business man....p4p businessman

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                  • Horus
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                    #179
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    There's no ying without yang, Hoeus. You can't compare without contrasting - especially when you raise the issue on a ****ing forum. How old are you? Come on, man use your head for a second and stop telling everyone to quit using theirs.
                    I understand what compare and contrast is.
                    But some of you guys dont know what a comparison is let alone how to contrast...

                    btw, I didnt know you were Danny Gunz..

                    Anyways the point at hand is What Does a Welterweight win over a Junior Welterweight really mean when the fight is at Welterweight?

                    therefore What does a Cotto win over Pacquiao mean since the fight is at Welterweight
                    Last edited by Horus; 08-10-2009, 08:20 PM.

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                    • dans
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                      #180
                      Originally posted by Horus
                      I understand what compare and contrast is.
                      But some of you guys what a comparison is let alone how to contrast...

                      btw, I didnt know you were Danny Gunz..

                      Anyways the point at hand is What Does a Welterweight win over a Junior Welterweight really mean what the fight is at Welterweight?

                      therefore What does a Cotto win over Pacquiao mean since the fight is at Welterweight
                      Pacquiao is a great fighter, just like Juan Manuel Marquez is a great fighter.

                      If Cotto and Mayweather both win, that will be two great wins.

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