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  • Ravishing
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    #71
    Boxing's not dying...

    But what I notice from a lot of hardcore Boxing fans here is they don't accept the fact that Boxing indeed isn't anywhere near where it was on a Global scale and popularity wise from the early 80s to mid-late 90s. Why? Because of the lack of crossover stars.

    Look at the fighters that the 80s and 90s bred: Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, JCC. These dudes had endorsement deals, commercials, etc. How many fighters today can say they have that type of backing or notoriety among the public? Sure, we still have good fights, but a lot of those fighters don't have the type of appeal that gets Hollywood flooding Vegas like how Cesars Palace did in the 80s and 90s.

    Now with the UFC, people also need to understand that they hold events monthly and the majority of the fights take place in Vegas. Dana promotes the **** out of it and its seen on TV on a regular basis. So really, it's a no brainer. Boxing doesn't have an organization overseeing the ins and outs of all the fights, it's comprised more of Promoters and different promotions than have contracted fighters. But where the problem comes in is when one promoter doesn't want to do business with another promoter for whatever reason leaving the possibility of some marque fights from happening left on the back burner (i.e. Floyd and Top Rank). You'll never have that problem in the UFC because all the fighters are under one umbrella.

    I'll always be a Boxing fan 1st, but the business of Boxing overall is what's caused its decline in the last several years on top of there not being more than a handful of crossover stars to bring more popularity back into the sport.

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      #72
      Originally posted by shade darkar
      what are your actual reasons then for why you think boxing is slipping, apart from the fact you couldnt put a bet on in vegas?

      How about the decline in average purse money?

      P. Williams and Kelly Pavlik are about to split a 3.5 million purse for a matchup that most boxing fans truly want to see.

      Compare that to Hopkins-Trinidad who split 14 million for a middlweight title fight. Now I won't disagree that Hopkins-Tito demanded more money, but 4 times the amount... without taking inflation into account?

      A better comparison might be Jermain Taylor vs. Winky Wright. Personally I am much more excited to see Williams-Pavlik yet somehow Taylor-Wright demanded a 7.5 million dollar purse for what was ultimately a pretty lackluster fight.

      So you see we can take similar type matchups and today's fights are generating 1/2 1/4 or 1/8 the total purse of the same fight 4-5 years ago.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Hitman932
        How about the decline in average purse money?

        P. Williams and Kelly Pavlik are about to split a 3.5 million purse for a matchup that most boxing fans truly want to see.

        Compare that to Hopkins-Trinidad who split 14 million for a middlweight title fight. Now I won't disagree that Hopkins-Tito demanded more money, but 4 times the amount... without taking inflation into account?

        A better comparison might be Jermain Taylor vs. Winky Wright. Personally I am much more excited to see Williams-Pavlik yet somehow Taylor-Wright demanded a 7.5 million dollar purse for what was ultimately a pretty lackluster fight.

        So you see we can take similar type matchups and today's fights are generating 1/2 1/4 or 1/8 the total purse of the same fight 4-5 years ago.

        Dude what u talking bout? HBO nowadays can't shell out what it once did because of the economy. Hbo once payed RJJ millions to fight a NY cop and? As far as Tito-B-Hop PLEASE. That fight was on PPV and in NO WAY can you compare Pavlik or Williams to Tito's drawing power or star power.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Cadillac Man
          Dude what u talking bout? HBO nowadays can't shell out what it once did because of the economy. Hbo once payed RJJ millions to fight a NY cop and? As far as Tito-B-Hop PLEASE. That fight was on PPV and in NO WAY can you compare Pavlik or Williams to Tito's drawing power or star power.
          Boxing purses have been dropping since before the economy fell apart.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Cadillac Man
            Dude what u talking bout? HBO nowadays can't shell out what it once did because of the economy. Hbo once payed RJJ millions to fight a NY cop and? As far as Tito-B-Hop PLEASE. That fight was on PPV and in NO WAY can you compare Pavlik or Williams to Tito's drawing power or star power.
            The overall consistency is what the issue is. Roy Jones was 1 star, but years prior you had 5 or 6 guys at that level of getting endorsement deals, commercials, big purses, etc. HBO hasn't been dishing out money for regular HBO televised fights simply because they know they could use that money for a PPV event, but the problem is there aren't enough fighters today that garner any big following that a PPV would blow through the roof.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Hitman932
              How about the decline in average purse money?

              P. Williams and Kelly Pavlik are about to split a 3.5 million purse for a matchup that most boxing fans truly want to see.

              Compare that to Hopkins-Trinidad who split 14 million for a middlweight title fight. Now I won't disagree that Hopkins-Tito demanded more money, but 4 times the amount... without taking inflation into account?

              A better comparison might be Jermain Taylor vs. Winky Wright. Personally I am much more excited to see Williams-Pavlik yet somehow Taylor-Wright demanded a 7.5 million dollar purse for what was ultimately a pretty lackluster fight.

              So you see we can take similar type matchups and today's fights are generating 1/2 1/4 or 1/8 the total purse of the same fight 4-5 years ago.
              Well for Williams v Pavlik the purse is actually bigger than that because 3.75 is HBO's offer. There is also sponsorship money, gate money etc. I will admit that is low but that is HBO ****ing up and paying too much for other fights.

              And yes, Demise is an absolute idiot lol. He's one of those really really annoying idiots too.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Hitman932
                How about the decline in average purse money?

                P. Williams and Kelly Pavlik are about to split a 3.5 million purse for a matchup that most boxing fans truly want to see.

                Compare that to Hopkins-Trinidad who split 14 million for a middlweight title fight. Now I won't disagree that Hopkins-Tito demanded more money, but 4 times the amount... without taking inflation into account?

                A better comparison might be Jermain Taylor vs. Winky Wright. Personally I am much more excited to see Williams-Pavlik yet somehow Taylor-Wright demanded a 7.5 million dollar purse for what was ultimately a pretty lackluster fight.

                So you see we can take similar type matchups and today's fights are generating 1/2 1/4 or 1/8 the total purse of the same fight 4-5 years ago.
                Nice way to pick and choose your battles, how much money was Hopkins making against top contender Antwun Echols in the 90's? How about against Glen Johnson? Winky vs Taylor was a bigger fight since Taylor was coming off two wins against Hopkins on PPV and Wright was coming off two big wins over Shane Mosley and the domination against Trinidad.
                Also Taylor/Wright was not "Lackluster" as you try to make it out to be, it was a very exciting fight.

                Pavlik is 1 bout removed from getting schooled by Hopkins and Williams isn't a super star, HBO is paying a reasonable price. You should also post more examples about the purses being 1/2 or 1/8 I would like to see that.

                About people not knowing **** about Boxing, it's been like that since I can remember. I've only been a big Boxing fan since 96 but I haven't meet that many people that know a good deal about the sport. Boxing became a niche sport when it was taken off network TV and was put on HBO and Showtime. I don't see the reason for making these "The Sky is falling threads" I'm pretty sure 99.9% of Boxing fans ain't going to stop enjoying the sport because it's not as popular as it used to be.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Ravishing
                  Boxing's not dying...

                  But what I notice from a lot of hardcore Boxing fans here is they don't accept the fact that Boxing indeed isn't anywhere near where it was on a Global scale and popularity wise from the early 80s to mid-late 90s. Why? Because of the lack of crossover stars.

                  Look at the fighters that the 80s and 90s bred: Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, JCC. These dudes had endorsement deals, commercials, etc. How many fighters today can say they have that type of backing or notoriety among the public? Sure, we still have good fights, but a lot of those fighters don't have the type of appeal that gets Hollywood flooding Vegas like how Cesars Palace did in the 80s and 90s.

                  Now with the UFC, people also need to understand that they hold events monthly and the majority of the fights take place in Vegas. Dana promotes the **** out of it and its seen on TV on a regular basis. So really, it's a no brainer. Boxing doesn't have an organization overseeing the ins and outs of all the fights, it's comprised more of Promoters and different promotions than have contracted fighters. But where the problem comes in is when one promoter doesn't want to do business with another promoter for whatever reason leaving the possibility of some marque fights from happening left on the back burner (i.e. Floyd and Top Rank). You'll never have that problem in the UFC because all the fighters are under one umbrella.

                  I'll always be a Boxing fan 1st, but the business of Boxing overall is what's caused its decline in the last several years on top of there not being more than a handful of crossover stars to bring more popularity back into the sport.








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                  • Shattered Jaw
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                    #79
                    Where the **** are my points?

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