Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao: It’s Not All Good

[rob6465]

Yeah, I get it, MaynMan... but I'm not sure you do.

I never said Pacquiao was draining Cotto. In fact, I believe I said that if Cotto wants to come in at 145, let him. However, my problem lies with the idea of mandating that he come at 145 while defending a title in a weight class with a 147-pound limit.

I couldn't care less if he weighs 120 for the fight. Just don't make it mandatory while still calling it a "welterweight title" fight. The welterweight class limit is 147 pounds. Not 145. Not 143. So, in defending a welterweight title, I think the champion ought to be able to weigh 147 pounds.

Regardless of whether he or the other guy is the drawing card.

And no, I never said Pac is trying to tilt it in his favor. What he is seeking, however, is the chance to win another title in another weight class. And if he wants to fight a welterweight champion, let him fight a welterweight champion who's allowed to weigh 147 pounds.

Got it this time, MaynMan?

I tried to write nice and slow for you... so I wouldn't have to explain it again.

Just let manny come in at 143 and cotto at 146 or 147 and call it a title fight. Pacquiao can come in AT 141-147 AND COTTO the same. Which boxer/team would object?

[xAUGUSTUSx]

Why do all these writers keep trying to tear down Pacman. Just let everyone believe what they want. All this **** has been said already.

[JunglistSoldja]

This writer is quite clearly a ****. Why is everyone on the defense for Cotto when the fight is at 1 more lb less than he weighed in at his last fight?

Pacquiao is moving up in weight (5lbs) and Cotto is technically having to sacrafice 1 more pound just to make ends meet by moving down in weight.

Build a bridge. Some of you are worse than women when it comes to moaning.

[BMWM3P]

I can't wait till Nov 14 when the Pac hype train will crash and burn. And make a lot of the bandwagon idiots on this site look like a bunch of fools. Keep sleeping on Cotto you'll all be in for a huge surprise on Nov14.

[wengz2002]

Yeah, I get it, MaynMan... but I'm not sure you do.

I never said Pacquiao was draining Cotto. In fact, I believe I said that if Cotto wants to come in at 145, let him. However, my problem lies with the idea of mandating that he come at 145 while defending a title in a weight class with a 147-pound limit.

I couldn't care less if he weighs 120 for the fight. Just don't make it mandatory while still calling it a "welterweight title" fight. The welterweight class limit is 147 pounds. Not 145. Not 143. So, in defending a welterweight title, I think the champion ought to be able to weigh 147 pounds.

Regardless of whether he or the other guy is the drawing card.

And no, I never said Pac is trying to tilt it in his favor. What he is seeking, however, is the chance to win another title in another weight class. And if he wants to fight a welterweight champion, let him fight a welterweight champion who's allowed to weigh 147 pounds.

Got it this time, MaynMan?

I tried to write nice and slow for you... so I wouldn't have to explain it again.

Oh boy! You're dumb!

Maybe you want Cotto to fight Pac at 140 lbs for the Ring belt~


If Cotto is the Man, he will be dictating the fight... Pac must have be force to fight him at 147...
But the thing is Packy is the Boss at the moment... so Miguelito should follow his Master's order~~~

[Dave Rado]

Once again: A Catchweight is used to even things out between two people who are not of the same weight class. People keep saying that Pac Is draining Cotto. That's not the damn case.

Pac is naturally 140. Cotto is Naturally 147. 145 is the Catchweight which should actually slightly favor Cotto because he's only two lbs. shy of the limit.

Fine, but the world Welterweight title should not be on the line in that case. By definition, you're saying that Pac needs the help of a "handicap" in order to be able to beat top Welterweights. If that's the case, he won't be able to legitimately call himself the world Welterweight champion if he wins.

For those of you who keep demanding that Pac fight Cotto at 147

Cotto, Cotto's fans, most neutrals and many Pac fans, including several Pinoys on this forum, have no problem with the fight being at catchweight, provided that no title is on the line. But if Manny wants to claim he's the world Welterweight champion then specifying a catchweight in the contract is bull****.

It's been done before but it was bull**** when it was done before. And it was only done before because the defending champion agreed in those cases to put his title on the line. No defending champion has ever been forced by a sanctioning body to defend his title in a catchweight fight. If the WBO tries to do that, it would be completely unprecedented.

Cotto is right to take a stand for the integrity of boxing titles. And he has the support of most neutrals, many Pac fans, and some Pinoys for the stand he's taking.

Armstrong didn't fight in any catchweight bouts, and the author is right that if Pac wants to be compared with Armstrong, he needs to man up and make the fight under the normal rules, with an upper limit of 147lb, not 145lb.

the flip side to that is why isn't Cotto fighting Pac at 140? Surprised eh?

Why not ask Vitali Klitschko to fight Pac at 140? Ridiculous statement. Cotto was seriously weight drained in his last two fights at 140, and that was three years ago. And no one is suggesting that the Jnr Welterweight belt should be on the line for this fight. But Pac's advisers want the Welterweight belt to be on the line, even though they apparently don't think Pac can be effective against any top Welterweights unless a catchweight is specified in the contract. That's just bull****.

People keep saying that Pac is trying to tilt it in his favor. It's hilarious for me. He's a natural 140 right now!

Then he should fight the top Jnr Welterweights and defend the lineal Jnr Welterweight title he recently won, which is what all great champions do.

[Dave Rado]

Why didn't the writer explained in this column that during the times of Armstrong's supremacy, the weign-in was done on the fight night itself?

Because the rules about same day weigh ins were not changed in order to help a particular fighter to win a particular fight. They were changed for all boxers, and for health reasons, because same day weigh ins were thought to be the cause of serious brain injury. That's very different from changing the rules just in order to help a particular fighter to win a particular fight, which is what Pac's advisers are trying to do in this case.

[TxHustla]

the most overrated fight of the century.....

yes pull the plug already iwant to see something more promising.

Are you 2 nuts??!! This fight has the possibilty of becoming the fight of the year...an instant classic and ya dont want it to happen?? THATS BANANAS!!

Man!

You've got to admire PacMan for showing some BALLS!
He could've fight guys of his weight and kick as*!

But he prefers greater challenge of kicking Bigger guys a*s~~~

bigger guys he makes lose more weight to get nearer to his weight lol

[MaynMan]

Fitzbitz

The comment saying "I tried to write nice and slow..." That comment only works as an insult when it's "I'm explaining or talking real slow so that you'll get it..." Otherwise you just sound like an idiot.

If you read my message, I never mentioned anything about the belts. Even though I think Cotto should still put it up since he practically got all his demands in already.
And if Cotto loses, can he still walk around saying that he's the WW Champ? Like I said, that's like claiming ownership over a burger using a receipt when someone else already ate it.

[V13J0]

The autor is clear... is as simple as this, if manny can't fight a true WW with
all the current rules then he can't clame to be the best WW, therefore he
can't have the title...

Now, if they want to change the rules just to favor a fighter, to acomplish a
PERSONAL goal just for the media circus, thats the bad thing and a shame
for the true sport.

And for the fight I think that manny have the edge for his speed and stamina.