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    #51
    Originally posted by chicano79us
    And you, just like me HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHEN IT WAS USED!!!

    But but you have a picture lol. That picture don't mean ****. I bet if the stain was on the opposite side, you guys would get to work on the internet and try to find a stain on the other side lol.
    http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...m_profile.html I just read this I know its long but check it out it has more details

    ****m Richardson's account of the evening, however, contradicts that assertion and also calls into question that of Espinoza. As Richardson tells the story, when he entered Margarito's dressing room, the "pads" had been prepared (the thick gauze wrapping that goes over the knuckles), but the wrapping process had not yet begun. They were just beginning to work on Margarito's right hand when Richardson arrived.

    "They started putting tape on the wrist and the thumb on the right hand," Richardson said, "and they were putting too much tape directly onto the skin. No gauze, just putting tape directly onto the skin on the wrist of the right hand."

    Taping directly to the skin is against the rules, so Richardson protested. When the Commission representative who was present said that he was fine with what they were doing, Richardson asked that Dean Lohuis, the Commission's chief athletic inspector, be brought into the room. He says Lohuis agreed that there was too much tape being applied directly to Margarito's skin and had them rewrap it. It took them two more tries to appease both Richardson and Lohuis. The real shocker, however, occurred when they moved on to the fighter's left hand.

    "When he started on the left hand," Richardson says, "I asked to feel the cushion (the pad) before he put it on the knuckle. I asked the deputy from the Commission, 'Did you squeeze the cushion on the right hand?' And he said no. So Margarito put the right hand up and said, 'Go ahead you can feel it,' and I said, 'No, let me squeeze this cushion before he puts it on the left hand.'"

    "So when I squeezed the cushion, it was brick hard. I said, 'This is not right.' I asked the deputy to feel it, so he felt it, and he said, 'It feels all right to me.' I said, 'No, that thing is too hard.' So I asked the commissioner (Lohuis) to feel it, and he said, 'Yeah, that does feel hard.' So he peeled it back, and when he peeled it back, a square block of old wet gauze fell out that was covered with plaster. And it had an old dried-up blood stain on it."

    At this point, Richardson says, it was almost time for Margarito to make his walk to the ring, and the trainer met with resistance from Margarito's people and also from the Commission's representatives about unwrapping and inspecting the pad on the already wrapped right hand.

    "I asked them to unwrap the right hand," Richardson told me, "because I thought they had checked the pad on the right hand. But they were arguing about that. So I said, 'Listen, if he fights the fight and we find something in it, what would happen then?' And the commissioner said, 'You're right - unwrap the right hand.'"

    When they did, a block of gauze was discovered in the right-hand pad similar to the one that had fallen out of the left. Initially, Richardson seized the evidence himself.

    "I took the two pieces, and I told the commissioner that I wasn't giving them back to [Margarito's people]. I said, 'I'm only giving these to Shane's lawyer.' So I took the two pieces when we went to Shane's room to wrap Shane's hands. The lawyer came over, and the commissioner came with us, and Shane's doctor [Robert Olvera] was there. The doctor scratched one of the pieces, and it chalked up. He said, 'This is the same plaster we use to make casts in the hospital.'"

    At that point, Richardson says he took the pieces back from Olvera and then surrendered the evidence to Lohuis for investigation by the Commission. The pieces were placed in a box, which was sealed with tape and signed by Mosley's lawyer, Judd Burstein - but not before Richardson ordered several people with camera-phones to snap photos of the two blocks of gauze.

    When I asked Richardson if he thought that Margarito would have gained an edge against Mosley if the pads had been allowed to stand as they were, he laughed. "With the kind of condition we had Shane in," he said, "I figure if Margarito had a stick in his hand he wouldn't have beaten Shane that night."

    "But it definitely would have given him an advantage, an advantage to the point of danger. And, look, I don't know for sure that Margarito knew what was in the pads. But I know for a fact that the trainer had to know. Cause he prepared the pads, so I know he knew what was in them."

    It's damning account of the incident, and one wonders if and when Margarito or his handlers are going to counter it with a detailed one of their own. They are of course innocent until proven guilty by the Commission, and it's likely that they are saying as little as possible to protect themselves in the investigation. But in the absence of a thorough account from Margarito, the court of public opinion has run rampant with speculation on countless websites and blogs.

    Meanwhile, the explanations offered by Margarito's camp thus far have been less than satisfying. Both Richardson and Mosley's doctor are on record as saying that the gauze blocks that came out of Margarito's pads were hard and "plaster-like," and the CSAC has deemed them "foreign substances" worthy of a temporary suspension, all calling into doubt the fighter's recent claim that this is only a matter of excess tape.

    As for the claim by Margarito's co-manager, Francisco Espinoza, that it was gauze that had grown humid and started to harden of its own accord, I ran that explanation past HBO commentator and Hall-of-Fame trainer, Emanuel Steward. He didn't find it plausible in the least. As proof of his point, he mentioned that he was about to auction off the hand-wraps that Lennox Lewis used in his fights with Mike Tyson and Hasim Rahman. For more than six years, Steward has kept them in a Ziploc bag. If damp gauze ever were inclined to harden over time, one would expect that those wraps would be stiff as boards by now.

    "But that material," Steward told me, "is still soft."

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      #52
      Originally posted by Sin City
      what about NY & NJ?
      You said he got lucky that he fought in Vegas but previously he fought in both those place. What's your take on that?? I know you live in Vegas so you should know they look at any form of cheating very close there.

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        #53
        Originally posted by chicano79us
        Then why open your ****** mouth as if what you say is a fact without being proven??
        you are trying to indicate that Margarito had never used plaster wraps before..
        you sir are the idiot.
        gauze & wraps don't come covered in blood out of the box.
        I think Margarito did use plaster against Cotto and that an investigation into the matter is needed.
        You are saying that there shouldn't be any doubt what so ever, even with the evidence there is saying that he had used those wraps before.
        To say that there isn't even a chance of Margarito using wraps against Cotto when there is a blood stain on his wraps in the same place there was in the Cotto fight is ******.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
          http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...m_profile.html I just read this I know its long but check it out it has more details

          ****m Richardson's account of the evening, however, contradicts that assertion and also calls into question that of Espinoza. As Richardson tells the story, when he entered Margarito's dressing room, the "pads" had been prepared (the thick gauze wrapping that goes over the knuckles), but the wrapping process had not yet begun. They were just beginning to work on Margarito's right hand when Richardson arrived.

          "They started putting tape on the wrist and the thumb on the right hand," Richardson said, "and they were putting too much tape directly onto the skin. No gauze, just putting tape directly onto the skin on the wrist of the right hand."

          Taping directly to the skin is against the rules, so Richardson protested. When the Commission representative who was present said that he was fine with what they were doing, Richardson asked that Dean Lohuis, the Commission's chief athletic inspector, be brought into the room. He says Lohuis agreed that there was too much tape being applied directly to Margarito's skin and had them rewrap it. It took them two more tries to appease both Richardson and Lohuis. The real shocker, however, occurred when they moved on to the fighter's left hand.

          "When he started on the left hand," Richardson says, "I asked to feel the cushion (the pad) before he put it on the knuckle. I asked the deputy from the Commission, 'Did you squeeze the cushion on the right hand?' And he said no. So Margarito put the right hand up and said, 'Go ahead you can feel it,' and I said, 'No, let me squeeze this cushion before he puts it on the left hand.'"

          "So when I squeezed the cushion, it was brick hard. I said, 'This is not right.' I asked the deputy to feel it, so he felt it, and he said, 'It feels all right to me.' I said, 'No, that thing is too hard.' So I asked the commissioner (Lohuis) to feel it, and he said, 'Yeah, that does feel hard.' So he peeled it back, and when he peeled it back, a square block of old wet gauze fell out that was covered with plaster. And it had an old dried-up blood stain on it."

          At this point, Richardson says, it was almost time for Margarito to make his walk to the ring, and the trainer met with resistance from Margarito's people and also from the Commission's representatives about unwrapping and inspecting the pad on the already wrapped right hand.

          "I asked them to unwrap the right hand," Richardson told me, "because I thought they had checked the pad on the right hand. But they were arguing about that. So I said, 'Listen, if he fights the fight and we find something in it, what would happen then?' And the commissioner said, 'You're right - unwrap the right hand.'"

          When they did, a block of gauze was discovered in the right-hand pad similar to the one that had fallen out of the left. Initially, Richardson seized the evidence himself.

          "I took the two pieces, and I told the commissioner that I wasn't giving them back to [Margarito's people]. I said, 'I'm only giving these to Shane's lawyer.' So I took the two pieces when we went to Shane's room to wrap Shane's hands. The lawyer came over, and the commissioner came with us, and Shane's doctor [Robert Olvera] was there. The doctor scratched one of the pieces, and it chalked up. He said, 'This is the same plaster we use to make casts in the hospital.'"

          At that point, Richardson says he took the pieces back from Olvera and then surrendered the evidence to Lohuis for investigation by the Commission. The pieces were placed in a box, which was sealed with tape and signed by Mosley's lawyer, Judd Burstein - but not before Richardson ordered several people with camera-phones to snap photos of the two blocks of gauze.

          When I asked Richardson if he thought that Margarito would have gained an edge against Mosley if the pads had been allowed to stand as they were, he laughed. "With the kind of condition we had Shane in," he said, "I figure if Margarito had a stick in his hand he wouldn't have beaten Shane that night."

          "But it definitely would have given him an advantage, an advantage to the point of danger. And, look, I don't know for sure that Margarito knew what was in the pads. But I know for a fact that the trainer had to know. Cause he prepared the pads, so I know he knew what was in them."

          It's damning account of the incident, and one wonders if and when Margarito or his handlers are going to counter it with a detailed one of their own. They are of course innocent until proven guilty by the Commission, and it's likely that they are saying as little as possible to protect themselves in the investigation. But in the absence of a thorough account from Margarito, the court of public opinion has run rampant with speculation on countless websites and blogs.

          Meanwhile, the explanations offered by Margarito's camp thus far have been less than satisfying. Both Richardson and Mosley's doctor are on record as saying that the gauze blocks that came out of Margarito's pads were hard and "plaster-like," and the CSAC has deemed them "foreign substances" worthy of a temporary suspension, all calling into doubt the fighter's recent claim that this is only a matter of excess tape.

          As for the claim by Margarito's co-manager, Francisco Espinoza, that it was gauze that had grown humid and started to harden of its own accord, I ran that explanation past HBO commentator and Hall-of-Fame trainer, Emanuel Steward. He didn't find it plausible in the least. As proof of his point, he mentioned that he was about to auction off the hand-wraps that Lennox Lewis used in his fights with Mike Tyson and Hasim Rahman. For more than six years, Steward has kept them in a Ziploc bag. If damp gauze ever were inclined to harden over time, one would expect that those wraps would be stiff as boards by now.

          "But that material," Steward told me, "is still soft."


          Naz said the same **** about Trinidad but that doesn't count right??

          The vids are dumb, nothing but opinions AND the first one is meant as a pressure fighter and Cotto losing stamina related. You should know how some pressure fighters work, but you're too ****** to understand since you're all wrapped on anything PR.
          Last edited by Mr. Fantastic; 08-03-2009, 07:18 PM.

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            #55
            Cotto's entire face was swollen vs. Collins eyes. Also, as stated the padding was also out while the plaster was still drying, I'm sure a few rounds into the fight the plaster got hard and add that with a lack of padding... Cotto's face shouldn't look as bad as Collins, however, for two main reasons. The first, Cotto was rarely getting hit in the first 5 or 6 rounds and even during those rounds I'm sure the plaster wasn't fully hardened. Secondly, the padding that was removed helped with the damage that Collins received. If you do that to Marg's gloves I'm sure Cotto's face would have looked just as bad, if not worse. Some pics to compare with, Cotto's face was completely swollen vs, mainly the eyes of Collins.



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              #56
              Originally posted by chicano79us
              Naz said the same **** about Trinidad but that doesn't count right??

              The vids are dumb, nothing but opinions AND the first one is meant as a pressure fighter and Cotto losing stamina related. You should know how some pressure fighters work, but you're too ****** to understand since you're all wrapped on anything PR.
              Naz then went on to say it ws to mess with titos mind, and RJJ stated that tito did nothing wrong and that he wraps his hands in a similar way.


              Como esta la pegada? Que pegada ni que nada? No te confies


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                #57
                you are trying to indicate that Margarito had never used plaster wraps
                It hasn't been proven and I honestly don't know, just like you ******.

                I think Margarito did use plaster against Cotto and that an investigation into the matter is needed.
                Thinking doesn't make it a fact now does it??

                You are saying that there shouldn't be any doubt what so ever, even with the evidence there is saying that he had used those wraps before.
                There is nothing wrong with having doubt, but like the typical Cotto stan, they think anything ****ting on Margs is a fact. That's something a Sore Loser would do......wouldn't you say??

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by chicano79us
                  You said he got lucky that he fought in Vegas but previously he fought in both those place. What's your take on that?? I know you live in Vegas so you should know they look at any form of cheating very close there.
                  I don't know anything about the boxing commision in NY or NJ.. so why do you want me to comment on them? What does the NY or NJ commission have to do with anything though?
                  Margarito vs. Cotto happened in Las Vegas and Mosley vs Margarito happened in Los Angeles.. NY and NJ are irrelevant.
                  & I didn't say he got lucky he fought in LV, I said he is lucky it's LV and his promoter is Bob Arum meaning that they won't launch an investigation on Margarito because Arum and the LV commision go way back.. they also make good money off of Top Rank.
                  Any more ******ity to add?

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                    http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/200...m_profile.html I just read this I know its long but check it out it has more details

                    ****m Richardson's account of the evening, however, contradicts that assertion and also calls into question that of Espinoza. As Richardson tells the story, when he entered Margarito's dressing room, the "pads" had been prepared (the thick gauze wrapping that goes over the knuckles), but the wrapping process had not yet begun. They were just beginning to work on Margarito's right hand when Richardson arrived.

                    "They started putting tape on the wrist and the thumb on the right hand," Richardson said, "and they were putting too much tape directly onto the skin. No gauze, just putting tape directly onto the skin on the wrist of the right hand."

                    Taping directly to the skin is against the rules, so Richardson protested. When the Commission representative who was present said that he was fine with what they were doing, Richardson asked that Dean Lohuis, the Commission's chief athletic inspector, be brought into the room. He says Lohuis agreed that there was too much tape being applied directly to Margarito's skin and had them rewrap it. It took them two more tries to appease both Richardson and Lohuis. The real shocker, however, occurred when they moved on to the fighter's left hand.

                    "When he started on the left hand," Richardson says, "I asked to feel the cushion (the pad) before he put it on the knuckle. I asked the deputy from the Commission, 'Did you squeeze the cushion on the right hand?' And he said no. So Margarito put the right hand up and said, 'Go ahead you can feel it,' and I said, 'No, let me squeeze this cushion before he puts it on the left hand.'"

                    "So when I squeezed the cushion, it was brick hard. I said, 'This is not right.' I asked the deputy to feel it, so he felt it, and he said, 'It feels all right to me.' I said, 'No, that thing is too hard.' So I asked the commissioner (Lohuis) to feel it, and he said, 'Yeah, that does feel hard.' So he peeled it back, and when he peeled it back, a square block of old wet gauze fell out that was covered with plaster. And it had an old dried-up blood stain on it."

                    At this point, Richardson says, it was almost time for Margarito to make his walk to the ring, and the trainer met with resistance from Margarito's people and also from the Commission's representatives about unwrapping and inspecting the pad on the already wrapped right hand.

                    "I asked them to unwrap the right hand," Richardson told me, "because I thought they had checked the pad on the right hand. But they were arguing about that. So I said, 'Listen, if he fights the fight and we find something in it, what would happen then?' And the commissioner said, 'You're right - unwrap the right hand.'"

                    When they did, a block of gauze was discovered in the right-hand pad similar to the one that had fallen out of the left. Initially, Richardson seized the evidence himself.

                    "I took the two pieces, and I told the commissioner that I wasn't giving them back to [Margarito's people]. I said, 'I'm only giving these to Shane's lawyer.' So I took the two pieces when we went to Shane's room to wrap Shane's hands. The lawyer came over, and the commissioner came with us, and Shane's doctor [Robert Olvera] was there. The doctor scratched one of the pieces, and it chalked up. He said, 'This is the same plaster we use to make casts in the hospital.'"

                    At that point, Richardson says he took the pieces back from Olvera and then surrendered the evidence to Lohuis for investigation by the Commission. The pieces were placed in a box, which was sealed with tape and signed by Mosley's lawyer, Judd Burstein - but not before Richardson ordered several people with camera-phones to snap photos of the two blocks of gauze.

                    When I asked Richardson if he thought that Margarito would have gained an edge against Mosley if the pads had been allowed to stand as they were, he laughed. "With the kind of condition we had Shane in," he said, "I figure if Margarito had a stick in his hand he wouldn't have beaten Shane that night."

                    "But it definitely would have given him an advantage, an advantage to the point of danger. And, look, I don't know for sure that Margarito knew what was in the pads. But I know for a fact that the trainer had to know. Cause he prepared the pads, so I know he knew what was in them."

                    It's damning account of the incident, and one wonders if and when Margarito or his handlers are going to counter it with a detailed one of their own. They are of course innocent until proven guilty by the Commission, and it's likely that they are saying as little as possible to protect themselves in the investigation. But in the absence of a thorough account from Margarito, the court of public opinion has run rampant with speculation on countless websites and blogs.

                    Meanwhile, the explanations offered by Margarito's camp thus far have been less than satisfying. Both Richardson and Mosley's doctor are on record as saying that the gauze blocks that came out of Margarito's pads were hard and "plaster-like," and the CSAC has deemed them "foreign substances" worthy of a temporary suspension, all calling into doubt the fighter's recent claim that this is only a matter of excess tape.

                    As for the claim by Margarito's co-manager, Francisco Espinoza, that it was gauze that had grown humid and started to harden of its own accord, I ran that explanation past HBO commentator and Hall-of-Fame trainer, Emanuel Steward. He didn't find it plausible in the least. As proof of his point, he mentioned that he was about to auction off the hand-wraps that Lennox Lewis used in his fights with Mike Tyson and Hasim Rahman. For more than six years, Steward has kept them in a Ziploc bag. If damp gauze ever were inclined to harden over time, one would expect that those wraps would be stiff as boards by now.

                    "But that material," Steward told me, "is still soft."

                    quoted for truth

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                      Naz then went on to say it ws to mess with titos mind, and RJJ stated that tito did nothing wrong and that he wraps his hands in a similar way.


                      Como esta la pegada? Que pegada ni que nada? No te confies


                      LMAO jajajajaajja
                      What do pressure fighters do?? They WEAR YOU OUT!! You're a big fucking idiot!!

                      Yea ok, that's why there has been articles on Naz talking about Tito's wraps in a negative way?? Wraps or no wraps, Tito didn't have a chance against Jones.

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