Pacquiao's Fast Pace Will Wear Cotto Down, Says Roach

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  • Machingo69
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    #191
    Originally posted by gopi11
    Like every fast opponent Cotto fought and defeated is at par with Pac's speed? GTFO!
    Pacquiao is not faster than Zab or Mosley...

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    • El Chicano
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      #192
      Originally posted by Machingo69
      Pacquiao is not faster than Zab or Mosley...
      He may be just as fast if not faster. But it's not only the speed that will be the difference. Read the thread Title; Roach is talking about the PACE. Manny's pace is fast for a featherweight and he's brought that pace with him in each of his fights at 135, 140 & 147. It's a relentless pace and I think it will be too much for Miguel especially since he's known to gas in the later rounds.

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      • don miguel
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        #193
        Originally posted by icom_hacker
        Nice Fight this is Cotto biggest challenge and PacMan biggest challenge 2.

        I agree with must of what Freddie said he is one of the few trainers that truly knows what hes talking about.

        But for me it will come down to: if Cotto will be able to handle PacMan punches that will have to see the day of the fight.
        Cotto has proven to resist lots of punches on a fight yet he always feel them.
        If PacMan power doesn't show well Cotto will eventually hunt him down.
        If Cotto feells them then its going to be a long fight for him because PacMan will truly hit Cotto lots during the fight.

        The only statement where I have to disagree with Freedie is PacMan defense. I still haven't seen that side of him hes been knockdown lots of time and almost everyone has manage to hit him at will. His biggest defense has always been his offense from my point of view.

        Also people please watch more Cotto fight he is a true boxer, not as complete as PacMan but he does combination and moves well if not ask Mosley.

        As a PR I want Cotto to win but this one is to thought to tell even if Cotto should have the edge. After first round I will know all i need to know to determine the winner. This fight reminds me of Tito Trinidad vs Oscar de la Hoya.

        The only fight I could recall not being right was
        Cotto vs Margarrito (I laught at people that pick Margarito my bad)
        Paul vs PR (Mocano) (first fight i thought Paul willing would end this early but the PR dude won lol)
        Winky Wright vs Hopkins (Ok this won i still think Winky won Hopkins just threw more punches)
        I agree with most of your opinion.

        It will be both fighters biggest challenge.

        Youre right that there are many unknown factors that we will only know the answers on fight night.

        Is Cotto too big and too strong for Pac?
        Is Pac too fast for Cotto?
        Can Pac handle Cotto's body shots?
        Will Cotto feel Pac's power?
        Can Pac go in, hit and go out without being hit accurately by Cotto's bombs?
        Is Cotto's timing shots fast enough to hit Pac?
        Will Cotto's jabs be effective?
        These questions and a lot more will only be answered on fight night.

        One thing i would like to point out is that Pac's last knock down was 10 years ago. His defense improved a lot lately. Diaz, DLH and Hatton havent hit him with something significant. Is his defense good enough to beat Cotto? It, too, will only be answered on fight night.

        Cotto do have boxing skills. Is it good enough to beat Pac? It, too, will only be answered on fight night.

        One question though I'm sure the answer is already known.
        Is this a great fight?
        I bet everybody will answer:
        [YES! this is a great fight.
        Last edited by don miguel; 07-27-2009, 06:14 PM.

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        • don miguel
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          #194
          Originally posted by Machingo69
          Pacquiao is not faster than Zab or Mosley...
          I would disagree with you. Pacquiao is a lot faster than Zab and Mosley

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          • don miguel
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            #195
            Originally posted by Bronx Dude
            yes but, Cotto has never struggled with opponents that are smaller then him.... manny has been fighting bigger and bigger opponents, but NO ONE as big or on Cotto's level skills wise

            its going to be a easy night for Cotto

            At the same time, Cotto has been fighting fast opponents, but NO ONE as fast as Pacquiao.

            That is why it will be a classic fight between speed and power

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              #196
              Originally posted by jetgeomcx
              manny got cut from a headbutt in morales 1......
              manny has become bigger since then.
              he's been sparring with welters for his diaz fyt and against some jrmw for his oscar fyt.
              manny has tasted heavy punches during sparrings, that's why roach has strong belief on manny.

              you didn't see how manny, in the ropes, absorbed hatton's 5-6 combo punches in the belly early in rd-2.
              Name me one fight, other than the Judah fight where Cotto got cut from a punch. You can bring up Margarito but that is completely suspect. Just like manny Cotto was cut from a headbutt in the Clottey fight. If you are making your assessment that the Clottey cut will open again, I can see that argument. But, when people say Cotto is prone to being busted open it is completely false, the one LEGIT fight I can think of is Judah and that horrific gash on Cotto's lip. Urkal busted Cotto open with headbutts, Margarito with plaster (possibly) and Clottey busted him open with that cave-man forehead.

              As for Manny tasting power in sparring, are you really using that as an argument? Sparring? You do realize people in sparring don't hit Manny as hard as they can, even if he's built for it there is always the possibility of an injury. And just the sheer fact you are comparing a sparring partner I really don't need to elaborate much more. But I want to know WHO this sparring partner was, or me making a claim that Cotto has sparred with people just as fast as Manny holds the same amount of water as your argument.

              One final thing, don't compare Hatton's power, or anything in Hatton's arsenal to Cotto please. Cotto is not only faster than Hatton, he is FAR more powerful, has a Far better chin, actually HAS a jab and one of the best in boxing at that, has far better defense, has better head movement and I can keep going. Also, even if Cotto gets caught rushing in like that as Hatton did, Cotto has the ability to change up his strategy, Hatton only knows how to go forward, he was tailor made for Pac-man and Mayweather.
              Last edited by Beater_of_ass; 07-27-2009, 06:30 PM.

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                #197
                I'll bet 4 million points Pacquiao beats and whoops Cotto's ass.

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                • don miguel
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                  #198
                  Originally posted by Hotbox2
                  First of all when you fight at 147 or welterweight the max is 147 not 143 or 143 or 145. Just because you are a bandwagon rider don't over look the truth. If you want to fight at 140 that's cool so fight fighters at that division. When you want to fight fighters in other divisions fight in there division. Yeah you are right I don't like Manny and I do want to see him get ****ed up! believe me he will.

                  Manny is not fighting for any division. He is fighting the fighter. He is fighting Cotto at 145. Not for any division.

                  No he's nothing special..all I know him for is getting Knocked out with those bodyshots laying all over the ground. You can't erase history remember that fool!
                  You are right. You can't erase history. 6 titles in 6 weights. 4 lineal titles. titles from 112 to 140. That's history! You can't erase that!

                  Originally posted by Hotbox2
                  Manny is an over rated catchweight *****! He has ducked all the top fighters in boxing and soon his execution will come
                  Fighting Barrera, Morales, JMM, Hatton, Cotto is ducking top fighters???

                  Originally posted by Hotbox2
                  Yes Nate Campbell is very special! He is the first fighter to ever win the lightweight title at that age..
                  Is that all you got? That's all Nate got and he is very special?

                  Originally posted by Hotbox2
                  I want to ask a question! For all those that think Manny is a great fighter then tell me who has he beaten that no one hasn't beaten already? Didn't Zahir Raheem beat Morales before him, Junior Jones beat Barrera before him, Kendall Holt knocked out David Diaz before him, Freddie Norwood beat Juan Manuel Marquez before him. Floyd knocked out Hatton before him and beat Delahoya before him. Now tell me who has he beaten that someone already has beaten.
                  So Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard are not great fighters because they have beaten fighters that have lost already?

                  So a great fighter must beat only unbeaten fighters?

                  So all of Campbell's opponents were undefeated?

                  Why dont you ask Ring mag, ESPN, SI, and Boxingscene why do they think Pacquiao is great?

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                    #199
                    Originally posted by MakeDamnSure
                    I'll bet 4 million points Pacquiao beats and whoops Cotto's ass.
                    Ill go 100 K on Cotto to win, we on?

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                    • RICANCHAMP7
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                      #200
                      I seem to recall JMM rocking Pacmans bell with a Left hook in Round 2 of there 2nd fight....this gonna be a war anything can happen. Im a pacman fan but hes no GOD and this is a sport where one punch can throw plans and strategies out the window

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