How good a win is JMM for Mayweather?

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  • BattlingNelson
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    #71
    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
    I'm talking about his size here. Ofcourse your gonna be labeled whatever division you fight in but I'm talking about his size. Still confused? I wouldn't call Floyd a natural WW, he is more a Jr WW to me.

    You should have atleast known what I was talking about.
    What's size? Height?

    Don't kid yourself. Floyd cannot make 140. He's a legit welter.

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    • Doctor_Tenma
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      #72
      Originally posted by S.G.
      i think Dominicano is mostly referring to Mayweather's size

      that is, he rehydrates to around 147-149lbs, which is generally the size of a modern junior welterweight come fight night
      Someone got it!

      Thanks

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        #73
        Originally posted by S.G.
        i think Dominicano is mostly referring to Mayweather's size

        that is, he rehydrates to around 147-149lbs, which is generally the size of a modern junior welterweight come fight night
        But floyd will not fight at JWW these days. And hasn't done so for 4 years.

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          #74
          Originally posted by BattlingNelson
          What's size? Height?

          Don't kid yourself. Floyd cannot make 140. He's a legit welter.
          I'm 100% sure he can make 140. I'm sure your gonna ask me a 3rd time, "Why doesn't he fight at 140?", and again, I'll give you the same answer.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
            I'm 100% sure he can make 140. I'm sure your gonna ask me a 3rd time, "Why doesn't he fight at 140?", and again, I'll give you the same answer.
            Naah. I'll slightly refrase the question: Why do you think Floyd doesn't fight JMM at a more reasonable catchweight?

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              #76
              BattlingNelson, what I'm saying here is that, the size difference between the two isn't that big. You on the other hand are looking at it from a different perspective. Your thing is, "JMM is jumping up two divisions, this is a mismatch!". I mean pay a little attention, an example, a 3rd fight between JMM and Pacquiao, wouldn't Pacquiao come into the ring weighing 148? I know, you don't want me to switch the subject but this is only an example.
              How could a 147-148 Mayweather be such a mismatch in size to JMM and not a 147-148 Pacquiao?

              I understand that because a fighter fights in a certain division then he should be labeled as that. Just remember, I'm talking about size here. You view it as Marquez fighting a WW, because Mayweather campaigns there, I view it as Marquez facing a Jr WW, because that is more Mayweather's natural size in my opinion and he'll come into the ring, weighing as a Jr WW should weight.
              Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 07-23-2009, 05:21 PM.

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                #77
                Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                Naah. I'll slightly refrase the question: Why do you think Floyd doesn't fight JMM at a more reasonable catchweight?
                both recent instances where he might've fought at JWW (Hatton and JMM) he chose to fight above it for the sake of asserting power, fishing for an advantage simply because he can.

                Hatton was challenging Mayweather, not the other way around, thus he made the compromises

                Marquez doesn't hold too many bargaining chips, thus he made the majority of the compromise

                it may not sit well with you, but this is boxing, **** happens. Floyd's just playing the game... he won't take responsibility for the sacrifice when he doesn't need to, just for the sake of being a gentleman. it's naive to assume that he, or any other boxer, would

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                  BattlingNelson, what I'm saying here is that, the size difference between the two isn't that big. You on the other hand are looking at it from a different perspective. Your thing is, "JMM is jumping up two divisions, this is a mismatch!". I mean pay a little attention, an example, a 3rd fight between JMM and Pacquiao, wouldn't Pacquiao come into the ring weighing 148? I know, you don't want me to switch the subject but this is only an example.
                  How could a 147-148 Mayweather be such a mismatch in size to JMM and not a 147-148 Pacquiao?

                  I understand that because a fighter fights in a certain division then he should be labeled as that. Just remember, I'm talking about size here. You view it as Marquez fighting a WW, because Mayweather campaigns there, I view it as Marquez facing a Jr WW, because that is more Mayweather's natural size in my opinion and he'll come into the ring, weighing as a Jr WW should weight.
                  Fair enough. I just don't put much validity into unofficial weights governed by a broadcaster and probably done with clothes on and on a bathroom weight.

                  The thing that matters is what they weigh at the official weigh in. That's the rules.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by S.G.
                    both recent instances where he might've fought at JWW (Hatton and JMM) he chose to fight above it for the sake of asserting power, fishing for an advantage simply because he can.

                    Hatton was challenging Mayweather, not the other way around, thus he made the compromises

                    Marquez doesn't hold too many bargaining chips, thus he made the majority of the compromise

                    it may not sit well with you, but this is boxing, **** happens. Floyd's just playing the game... he won't take responsibility for the sacrifice when he doesn't need to, just for the sake of being a gentleman. it's naive to assume that he, or any other boxer, would
                    I agree that it's to gain every kind of advantage that he can. I also posted that earlier. I have no problem with that other than it devalues his win.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                      I'm 100% sure he can make 140. I'm sure your gonna ask me a 3rd time, "Why doesn't he fight at 140?", and again, I'll give you the same answer.
                      why not fight jmm at 140 then to make it a lil fair?....

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