Cotto not so confident of beating Pac?

[JM1]

145 is not a weight class. Ive never heard and announcer say and from the 141-147 lb class....

You can't just go make up a weight class. And why would it be from 141-147. Why not 144-147-150.

There are weight classes for a reason and even though they are close to 147, its not 147. We have seen fights canceled for half pound differences from what the limit is supposed to be.

Now we are making fights strictly for money reasons at CATCH weights. Historically fights at CATCH weights have no belt involved.

I see where your coming from, but I simply don't agree with moving weight limits around and attaching the a welter weight belt to any weight that is not 147.

I'd also bet its never been done before so why break the mold now and go against what boxing has been.

yeah, i know that 145 is a catchweight and we all know that. and we all know that a welterweight fight is not mandatory at 147. but my question is, what division is 145? jr welterweight, or welterweight?

[JM1]

JM1 is owning Cotto fans on this thread..

hey dont say that. im a cotto fan and it sounds like im owning myself

[crillz]

so cotto could careless if hes not a champ?

don't get me wrong I didn't say credentials don't matter. what fighter in the world do you know that doesn't want to be a world champion? what I'm saying is that even beyond belts and titles the name of the game is to beat the best men, that is what makes you memorable and history has proven that.. sure championships matter, skills matter too to a certain extent but none of that means anything if you haven't proved yourself against the best fighters amongst you. a strap doesn't define the fighter it's his resume, the men he's beaten to be where he is. that is why Cotto WOULD give up the belt due to sanctioning fees, him not only being the champion so it all falls on him but then he's making substantially less therefore it's no gain for him, it becomes more of a burden on his back than a belt on his waist...

and what is this you saying that a WELTERWEIGHT bout is not a mandatory 147? then what is it? when fighters make weight, and all fighters(unless there's a contractual agreement) must make the weight limit for the fight or he/she will be fined and possibly not be able to fight depending how much or how little they came in over/underweight. you can't possibly try to insinuate to me that someone who weighs 141 can fight someone who weighs 147 and that is not a JWW VS a WW. this is why they are referred to as weight DIVISIONS, because there is a division that takes place man you can't just come in at 141 in a Welterweight bout man, fighters must meet the limit on the scales for whatever weight they are in, THEN they can gain or lose any and as many pounds as they want/can but in EVERY fight(once again, unless there's a contractual agreement) each fighter MUST make the weight limit of 147 pounds, that is the most OBVIOUS thing to see man..

[FLYBOY]

I had a dream last night that Miguel Cotto KO'd Manny Pacquiao with a bodyshot in the FIRST ROUND. There were 2 knockdowns, the second one being the knockout. hmmm let's see how this comes about....

[johncs08]

I had a dream last night that Miguel Cotto KO'd Manny Pacquiao with a bodyshot in the FIRST ROUND. There were 2 knockdowns, the second one being the knockout. hmmm let's see how this comes about....

i had a dream too that hatton kod my boy pac wit a body shot..you can dig my thread if you want

[KittenFlaps]

I'd only put the belt down if the fights max weight was 147. Thats how Cotto won it, that's how his opponent should win it.

Regardless, I don't care about the belt and I doubt Manny does either. I just wanna see the fight.

[JM1]

don't get me wrong I didn't say credentials don't matter. what fighter in the world do you know that doesn't want to be a world champion? what I'm saying is that even beyond belts and titles the name of the game is to beat the best men, that is what makes you memorable and history has proven that.. sure championships matter, skills matter too to a certain extent but none of that means anything if you haven't proved yourself against the best fighters amongst you. a strap doesn't define the fighter it's his resume, the men he's beaten to be where he is. that is why Cotto WOULD give up the belt due to sanctioning fees, him not only being the champion so it all falls on him but then he's making substantially less therefore it's no gain for him, it becomes more of a burden on his back than a belt on his waist...

and what is this you saying that a WELTERWEIGHT bout is not a mandatory 147? then what is it? when fighters make weight, and all fighters(unless there's a contractual agreement) must make the weight limit for the fight or he/she will be fined and possibly not be able to fight depending how much or how little they came in over/underweight. you can't possibly try to insinuate to me that someone who weighs 141 can fight someone who weighs 147 and that is not a JWW VS a WW. this is why they are referred to as weight DIVISIONS, because there is a division that takes place man you can't just come in at 141 in a Welterweight bout man, fighters must meet the limit on the scales for whatever weight they are in, THEN they can gain or lose any and as many pounds as they want/can but in EVERY fight(once again, unless there's a contractual agreement) each fighter MUST make the weight limit of 147 pounds, that is the most OBVIOUS thing to see man..

so much words but you can actually answer my question by saying yes or no. so does cotto care about being a world champ? yes or no? and to answer your question, yes, having a welterweight bout at 147 is not mandatory, cause if it is, then pac-cotto fight wont happen at 145. simple as that.

[JM1]

I had a dream last night that Miguel Cotto KO'd Manny Pacquiao with a bodyshot in the FIRST ROUND. There were 2 knockdowns, the second one being the knockout. hmmm let's see how this comes about....

and what does your dream have to do with the topic?

[JM1]

I'd only put the belt down if the fights max weight was 147. Thats how Cotto won it, that's how his opponent should win it.

Regardless, I don't care about the belt and I doubt Manny does either. I just wanna see the fight.

pac wants the belt. and why not put it on the line? 145 is still welterweight and pac is now ranked #1 by the wbo so it should be a mandatory defense in the first place

[KittenFlaps]

pac wants the belt. and why not put it on the line? 145 is still welterweight and pac is now ranked #1 by the wbo so it should be a mandatory defense in the first place

I'm sure this argument has taken place on these boards 100 times by now, and I doubt the two sides will ever see eye to eye, but the way I see it while 145 is within the welterweight limit, so is 147. So, unless Pac wants to let Cotto weigh in at 147 it's not a true welterweight fight, it's a catchweight. There's no belt for 141-145. The WBO Welterweight Belt is for the champion of 141-147.