Cotto not so confident of beating Pac?

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  • JM1
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    #181
    Originally posted by KittenFlaps
    I'm sure this argument has taken place on these boards 100 times by now, and I doubt the two sides will ever see eye to eye, but the way I see it while 145 is within the welterweight limit, so is 147. So, unless Pac wants to let Cotto weigh in at 147 it's not a true welterweight fight, it's a catchweight. There's no belt for 141-145. The WBO Welterweight Belt is for the champion of 141-147.
    yeah but the contract says they will fight at 145 so fighting at 147 should be out of the picture now. and you know for yourself that 145 is welterweight then why not put the welterweight belt on the line?
    Last edited by JM1; 07-24-2009, 08:16 AM.

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    • Squabbles94806
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      #182
      This is my opinion for real: I think and believe any opponent who respects Pacquiao will lose. DLH respected Pacman, so did Hatton...even his earlier fights with Morales and Barrera. They both respected him to a certain degree. Mayweather even respects Pacman. The only one i can think of who probably doesn't respect Pacquiao at all is.....Juan Manuel Marquez. Which is why i think he has the greatest chance of defeating Pacquiao. But since Cotto respects Pacquiao, i don't think he's gonna win this one.

      I mean ya gotta respect the guy. He doesn't really talk ***** or trash talk. Not really arrogant or ****y, he's down to fight to the death, trains like a fcukin hog, enters the ring to his own Kareokee song (which is clownin btw), he has a quiet confidence, humble, generous, and all about business.

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        #183
        Originally posted by JM1
        yeah but the contract says they will fight at 145 so fighting at 147 should be out of the picture now. so let me ask you this, what division is 145 then?
        It's a catchweight within the welterweight division. Belts shouldn't be won on cathweights. The belt signifies that you are the best fighter within the 141-147 range, not the 141-145 range.

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          #184
          Originally posted by KittenFlaps
          It's a catchweight within the welterweight division. Belts shouldn't be won on cathweights. The belt signifies that you are the best fighter within the 141-147 range, not the 141-145 range.
          147 is the max limit for welterweight. 145 is still, welterweight. now, why would the wbo suggest a title fight if belts shouldnt be won at catchweights?

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            #185
            Originally posted by Squabbles94806
            This is my opinion for real: I think and believe any opponent who respects Pacquiao will lose. DLH respected Pacman, so did Hatton...even his earlier fights with Morales and Barrera. They both respected him to a certain degree. Mayweather even respects Pacman. The only one i can think of who probably doesn't respect Pacquiao at all is.....Juan Manuel Marquez. Which is why i think he has the greatest chance of defeating Pacquiao. But since Cotto respects Pacquiao, i don't think he's gonna win this one.

            I mean ya gotta respect the guy. He doesn't really talk ***** or trash talk. Not really arrogant or ****y, he's down to fight to the death, trains like a fcukin hog, enters the ring to his own Kareokee song (which is clownin btw), he has a quiet confidence, humble, generous, and all about business.
            nice observation bro

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              #186
              Originally posted by JM1
              147 is the max limit for welterweight. 145 is still, welterweight. now, why would the wbo suggest a title fight if belts shouldnt be won at catchweights?
              Imagine if pac decided he wanted to have a catchweight of 141. It's still welterweight technically, but is it really a welterweight fight?

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                #187
                Originally posted by Squabbles94806
                This is my opinion for real: I think and believe any opponent who respects Pacquiao will lose. DLH respected Pacman, so did Hatton...even his earlier fights with Morales and Barrera. They both respected him to a certain degree. Mayweather even respects Pacman. The only one i can think of who probably doesn't respect Pacquiao at all is.....Juan Manuel Marquez. Which is why i think he has the greatest chance of defeating Pacquiao. But since Cotto respects Pacquiao, i don't think he's gonna win this one.

                I mean ya gotta respect the guy. He doesn't really talk ***** or trash talk. Not really arrogant or ****y, he's down to fight to the death, trains like a fcukin hog, enters the ring to his own Kareokee song (which is clownin btw), he has a quiet confidence, humble, generous, and all about business.
                JM1 said nice observation but I disagree with the bold. Cotto respects all of his opponents outside the ring but in the ring like he said I got 2 arms just like him. So the respect cotto shows is respect a man shows a man. Cotto will handle his business inside the ring like he always has.

                All that stuff you said about pac is true but it also holds for cotto. just IMO. Except the kareokee LOL

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                  #188
                  Originally posted by KittenFlaps
                  It's a catchweight within the welterweight division. Belts shouldn't be won on cathweights. The belt signifies that you are the best fighter within the 141-147 range, not the 141-145 range.


                  Tell that to HOFers or future HOFers Pernell Whitaker and JCC, who fought for the WBC's welterweight belt at 145, that's the closest comparison to the Pac/Cotto fight. You might wanna check out the BHop/ODLH middleweight fight too for the unified belts (158), the Leonard/Hearns II super middleweight title fight (163), Leonard/Lalonde light heavyweight title fight (168), and the Terry Norris/Meldrick Taylor Jr.middleweight title fight at 150. How come nobody said nothing about those fights?

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                    #189
                    Originally posted by sandyvahra
                    You might be right, but how can anyone be 100% confident vs. pac the way he's looked lately?
                    lol He's beatin a bunch of softies, that's it.

                    If Cotto isn't confident about beating Paq, it's more than likely due to how he probably felt during the Clottey fight. I mean he's obviously slipped up some. But if Cotto can bite down for one more fight and play his defense and let his hands go like he use to, then he should be alright. But if he comes in with a slower hop to his step, and he starts lettin Paq dive in and out without makin him pay....Well, I hope someone slaps him till he wakes the **** up in between rounds lol. Because there's absolutely no reason why he should lose this fight.

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                    • JM1
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                      #190
                      Originally posted by KittenFlaps
                      Imagine if pac decided he wanted to have a catchweight of 141. It's still welterweight technically, but is it really a welterweight fight?
                      you didnt answer my question. you said belts shouldnt be won at catchweights, my question is, why is the wbo wanting this fight to be a title fight if the belts shouldnt be at stake at catchweights? answer my question pls

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