how bout some real analysis on pac vs Cotto

**MANGLER** · 07-22-2009, 06:08 PM

Not much more to say about this one. Pac is better than Cotto, he just ain't big enuf to handle his power imo. I think Pac boxes him silly til he gets hit hard n clean. If he somehow eludes Cotto all nite or can take his shots, Pac wins easy and maybe accumulates damage for a stoppage. I think Cotto's power makes the difference tho.

**fightingfigs** · 07-22-2009, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by freedom213

Tired of reading Pac will KO Cotto or Cotto will give Pac a beatdown!

looking at the cotto vs Zab fight it is obvious that a counter punching style gave Cotto some problems, especially from the south paw stance. The problem with making comparisons from this fight is that Zab is a counter puncher, he fights off the back foot looking for opportunities. Pac dont fightlike that. Looking at the Quintana fight, Q had some moments. He landed the straight left some jabs and went downstairs with some success. You could also say that Cotto looked awkward at times trying to get into position to land his shots. Its also fair to say that Quintana who is a bigger guy probably could take a better punch at that weight than Pac can.

The Corley fight might be best fight to look at Cotto was giving him a beatin early on but took that infamous temple shot and the fight and his career just about got derailed. I havent seen this fight in a while so does anyone have observations on this one?

Cottos Stiff jab will definitely show throught the beginning rounds.

Freddie Roach will warn manny to not go out and **** with him so quickly to dave that for the later rounds.

pacquiao will stay on his toes throughout the first 6 and try to outbox Cotto and prevent hm from using his big money makers by not letting Cotto hit anything. Pac will stay in the middle of the ring and use that to his advantage due to superiour agnle movement , the ropes and corners are danger zones.

Cotto will come out and try to time pac, while maintaining a steady stiff jab keeping pacquiao in his reach stalking him. theyll go toe to toe a couple times ealier and although pacquiao may be throwing more Cotto is slowly pushing Pac back with power. The first couple rounds will be felt out by Cotto trying to match handspeed. the later rounds he will be timing Pacquiao perfectly neautralizing his speed. eventually timing th eperfect shot to stumble pacquiao.

Once pacquiao is hurt he will try to fight it out and regain consciousness but Cotto will charge and finish him off somewhere in the 8th.

The best part about this fight is the viewer all thier well paid money worth

**DonTaseMeBrah** · 07-22-2009, 06:15 PM

its still hard for pacquiao to shake the all offense no defense brawler label from a lot of people. if u look closely enough in his last fights pacquiao has been counter punching a lot more & adding boxing craft & subtleties to incorportate his offense.

no he will never be pernell whitaker or willie pep but neither guys will have pacquiao's excitement or offensive arsenal. U take the good with the bad. hopkins is so technical & crafty but he's boring as hell.

u want a little bit of everything but we're lucky as fans that manny is on the offensive side.

u cant have everything. u gotta sacrifice a little defense for some offense.

**freedom213** · 07-22-2009, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by fightingfigs

Cottos Stiff jab will definitely show throught the beginning rounds.

Freddie Roach will warn manny to not go out and **** with him so quickly to dave that for the later rounds.

pacquiao will stay on his toes throughout the first 6 and try to outbox Cotto and prevent hm from using his big money makers by not letting Cotto hit anything. Pac will stay in the middle of the ring and use that to his advantage due to superiour agnle movement , the ropes and corners are danger zones.

Cotto will come out and try to time pac, while maintaining a steady stiff jab keeping pacquiao in his reach stalking him. theyll go toe to toe a couple times ealier and although pacquiao may be throwing more Cotto is slowly pushing Pac back with power. The first couple rounds will be felt out by Cotto trying to match handspeed. the later rounds he will be timing Pacquiao perfectly neautralizing his speed. eventually timing th eperfect shot to stumble pacquiao.

Once pacquiao is hurt he will try to fight it out and regain consciousness but Cotto will charge and finish him off somewhere in the 8th.

The best part about this fight is the viewer all thier well paid money worth

I am very ipressed with Manny as of late but I have to admit his last few opponents have been ready for the taking; Oscar- left his best in the gym and father time just wouldnt let him do what wanted. Hatton got all punchy and honestly disregarded the direction Mayweather was trying to take him, big mistake. He fought a **** fight and paid the price. David Diaz is a plodder who always brought it but was a straight forward ****er whose defense was eating punches like Candy. This might just catch up with Manny who like Burger King has had it his way since fighting Marquez. Cotto has defintely walked through hell te get his shot interesting to see if he can elevate his game.

**freedom213** · 07-22-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by GetSumBrah

its still hard for pacquiao to shake the all offense no defense brawler label from a lot of people. if u look closely enough in his last fights pacquiao has been counter punching a lot more & adding boxing craft & subtleties to incorportate his offense.

no he will never be pernell whitaker or willie pep but neither guys will have pacquiao's excitement or offensive arsenal. U take the good with the bad. hopkins is so technical & crafty but he's boring as hell.

u want a little bit of everything but we're lucky as fans that manny is on the offensive side.

u cant have everything. u gotta sacrifice a little defense for some offense.

so true and very well put.

**DonTaseMeBrah** · 07-22-2009, 06:26 PM

-that 3rd morales fight the first knock down was off a left hook counter punch when morales tried to rush him

-the 3rd marquez fight the first knock down & difference in scoring was off a counter left hook

-the first knock down vs hatton was a short quick inside counter right hook

he may not be a pure counter puncher like zab judah but he is more than capable.

zab judah & demarcus corley put hands on cotto & had him hurt multiple times. suffice to say he will have trouble with the greatest southpaw in the history of boxing since pernell whitaker.

**handwraps** · 07-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by freedom213

Tired of reading Pac will KO Cotto or Cotto will give Pac a beatdown!

looking at the cotto vs Zab fight it is obvious that a counter punching style gave Cotto some problems, especially from the south paw stance. The problem with making comparisons from this fight is that Zab is a counter puncher, he fights off the back foot looking for opportunities. Pac dont fightlike that. Looking at the Quintana fight, Q had some moments. He landed the straight left some jabs and went downstairs with some success. You could also say that Cotto looked awkward at times trying to get into position to land his shots. Its also fair to say that Quintana who is a bigger guy probably could take a better punch at that weight than Pac can.

The Corley fight might be best fight to look at Cotto was giving him a beatin early on but took that infamous temple shot and the fight and his career just about got derailed. I havent seen this fight in a while so does anyone have observations on this one?

i think cotto will stalk pacman its been a while since hes been the bigger guy in the ring. not counting the jennings fight. pac will move early but hes gonna get hit and hit hard. and cotto has shown he can offset faster boxers using his hard jab and timing.and in my opinion speed is the only advantage pac has. i keep telling people look at the second marguez pac fight it was very close. pac learned to use his right hand and now everyone thinks hes a master boxer, i dont agree. i like them both but it will be entertaining and pac wont run all night for a decision like everyone thinks when he starts getting hit he will fight thats the warrior he is. and if cotto took hard punches from clottey, judah and mosley flush. i highly doubt pac can knock him out.but we shall see come november

**strugler** · 07-22-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by freedom213

Tired of reading Pac will KO Cotto or Cotto will give Pac a beatdown!

looking at the cotto vs Zab fight it is obvious that a counter punching style gave Cotto some problems, especially from the south paw stance. The problem with making comparisons from this fight is that Zab is a counter puncher, he fights off the back foot looking for opportunities. Pac dont fightlike that. Looking at the Quintana fight, Q had some moments. He landed the straight left some jabs and went downstairs with some success. You could also say that Cotto looked awkward at times trying to get into position to land his shots. Its also fair to say that Quintana who is a bigger guy probably could take a better punch at that weight than Pac can.

The Corley fight might be best fight to look at Cotto was giving him a beatin early on but took that infamous temple shot and the fight and his career just about got derailed. I havent seen this fight in a while so does anyone have observations on this one?

Review silencers analysis.................pretty "accurate" and fair.................imo................

**freedom213** · 07-22-2009, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by handwraps

i think cotto will stalk pacman its been a while since hes been the bigger guy in the ring. not counting the jennings fight. pac will move early but hes gonna get hit and hit hard. and cotto has shown he can offset faster boxers using his hard jab and timing.and in my opinion speed is the only advantage pac has. i keep telling people look at the second marguez pac fight it was very close. pac learned to use his right hand and now everyone thinks hes a master boxer, i dont agree. i like them both but it will be entertaining and pac wont run all night for a decision like everyone thinks when he starts getting hit he will fight thats the warrior he is. and if cotto took hard punches from clottey, judah and mosley flush. i highly doubt pac can knock him out.but we shall see come november

The difference between pacs power and the afore mentioned fighters is simple, pac hits you with punches you dont see, shocking punches from weird angles. But Pac has gotten away with throwing a lot of lead lefts from too far outside and again I think he has had a bit of a soft touch here lately. I think Cotto will surprise Manny and Roach with his speed and accuracy and if Manny allows Cotto to go to the body via the left hook we will see his work rate and energy level drop off hard. rewatching the the 2nd pac marquez fight Manny got stationary in the middle rounds and allowed a smaller Marquez to hit him clean way to often. He cannot afford to do that against Cotto. The damage Cotto can inflict in comparison to Marquez is a big game changer. Course if Manny can get Cotto's respect early and discourage him consistently throughout I can see him getting a stoppage late or simply a safety first style win. Dont really know if Manny can be that disciplined over 12 but we will see.

how bout some real analysis on pac vs Cotto