Vitali Plans To Punish David Haye, Shut His Mouth

[knn]

I think that Vitali is robotic, many Europeans are, it is part and parcel of their mastery of the way the amateur system went.

Vitali is very effective doing what he does, but will we ever see him box with a loose style and plenty of fluidity, not in my opinion.

Being fluid is no virtue. And boxing is no gymnastics session. Fluidity is completely irrelevant.

You see, you state being "robotic is worse being fluid" yet these "robots" win and and the loosers lose.

Such statements like "I will never respect Wlad because he has worse footwork than Ali" or "Vit isn't as flexible as Byrd" are nonsense. There is not "Fluidity" on the scorecards, but there is KO on the scorecards. Thus if you compare Vit with Ali then compare their KOs and compare how dominant (= round winning) their victories were. I see no gift decisions for Vit in his career, as opposed to Ali.

There is no greater fluidity than winning.

Except for Ali's cruiser fights Ali was not fluid. Muhammad Ali was the Sam Peter of the 70ies. Actually Sam Peter is more fluid than Ali was. Watch his fights before making any "fluidity statement about Ali".

[knn]

Vitali's problem is the stiffness of his style, agree with you on that.

How more deluded can one get? Vitali is winning basically all of his fights in dominant fashion and you claim that "his style is a problem"? WHAT THE HECK? If a boxer LOSES then his style is a problem. If a boxer wins then his style is an asset. It's as bizarre as stating "Vitali's problem is that he doesn't punch as feartherfisty as Ali".

Wlad K is looser, but he seems to burn up an awful lot of nervous energy in there, and can fall apart under pressure.

Do you actually have a fight where Wlad fell apart under pressure and thus lost the fight? I mean where he fell apart not from stamina issues or chin but because of nervousness?

[Jim Jeffries]

All I'm saying, is that you are better off discussing a fighter specifically and avoiding stereotyping.

IMO, the problem with Vitali is not that he's robotic, because that can work out for you if your opponent cannot solve your puzzle (see Kostya Tszyu), the problem is being stiff. If your offense isn't diverse, but you are loose in the ring and can set up your shots, you are fine. Vital loses a lot of speed and expends extra energy by being so stiff in there. There are very few HW's that are alive that can make him work hard enough to take advantage of this weakness.

Considering the two fights he lost, he won every round but one against Byrd, outlanded Lewis in every round and was winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage, I'm curious as to what his "problem" really is. He's old, getting slower, and has been very inactive over the last 5 years, I don't see any other "problems."

[rizkybizness]

Yea..I'm sure you're MUCH smarter than they are.

who said anything about being smarter?

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Jim Jeffries;5733340]Considering the two fights he lost, he won every round but one against Byrd, outlanded Lewis in every round

Not true.


and was winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage.....and he lost. Finished it for you.

[Jim Jeffries]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;5735269]

Considering the two fights he lost, he won every round but one against Byrd, outlanded Lewis in every round

Not true.


and was winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage.....and he lost. Finished it for you.

Which round did Lewis outland him in? I'll wait. Who cares if a doctor stopped the fight, apparently the cuts were caused by a punch, but I sure saw a lot of head butts aggravating them. Everything could've been cleared up in a rematch, but alas 25 million was not enough for Lennox to endure another beating.

[nachorjj]

poor vitali he go to the KO retirement

[Boxing Scene]

poor vitali he go to the KO retirement

Poor you english go to the KO.

Dude speak english or GTFO of an English speaking forum, it makes you look ******ed.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Jim Jeffries;5735528]

Which round did Lewis outland him in? I'll wait. Who cares if a doctor stopped the fight, apparently the cuts were caused by a punch, but I sure saw a lot of head butts aggravating them. Everything could've been cleared up in a rematch, but alas 25 million was not enough for Lennox to endure another beating.

There were no head butts. I know it must have been a colossal disappointment for you that the white guy lost that night. I also find it ironic how you love to call people racist when your screen name was one of the biggest racist in boxing history.

[Jim Jeffries]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;5736050]

There were no head butts. I know it must have been a colossal disappointment for you that the white guy lost that night. I also find it ironic how you love to call people racist when your screen name was one of the biggest racist in boxing history.

I'm a fan of Ali, does that make me a draft dodger too?

I'm not the one who called Mangler Clarence Thomas because he didn't like Floyd's racist comments, that'd be you big guy.