Vitali Plans To Punish David Haye, Shut His Mouth

[Neckodeemus]

Terrence Dooley, the author of this article, is a tool.

He calls Vitali stiff and robotic. Ever see Vitali fight, Tooley? He's as relaxed as a boxer can get.

Wlad has vulnerabilities? Here's a shocker, EVERY boxer has vulnerabilities.

******.

Yes I have seen Vitali fight, and if you think he is as relaxed as a boxer can get I suggest you watch the likes of Floyd, Ali, Toney, and Locche, those guys really were relaxed, and as a consequence of this had greater punch variety, stronger defences, and the ability to move around the ring with great ease, latter-day Toney aside.

Vitali is stiff, and robotic, Wlad is the looser brother, he fights with a bit more fluidity, but he also has limited punch variety. There is a reason why Vitali's combinations are quite predictable. Look at Mike Tyson, also, when he was younger, that is what you call fluid boxing. Feint, feint, move in, shots, out again.

Vitali is good at what he does, and what he does is stand tall, put out the left, chop in the right, then stand tall.

Neither brother is particularly loose.

As for the tool remark, amusing, especially as you spelt my name wrong, it is right there on the byline! All you had to was copy it, was that beyond your ken?

[Juuza]

Yes I have seen Vitali fight, and if you think he is as relaxed as a boxer can get I suggest you watch the likes of Floyd, Ali, Toney, and Locche, those guys really were relaxed, and as a consequence of this had greater punch variety, stronger defences, and the ability to move around the ring with great ease, latter-day Toney aside.

Vitali is stiff, and robotic, Wlad is the looser brother, he fights with a bit more fluidity, but he also has limited punch variety. There is a reason why Vitali's combinations are quite predictable. Look at Mike Tyson, also, when he was younger, that is what you call fluid boxing. Feint, feint, move in, shots, out again.

Vitali is good at what he does, and what he does is stand tall, put out the left, chop in the right, then stand tall.

Neither brother is particularly loose.

As for the tool remark, amusing, especially as you spelt my name wrong, it is right there on the byline! All you had to was copy it, was that beyond your ken?

Great post!

[Neckodeemus]

It was largely tongue-in-cheek towards the end. The guy is entitled to express his opinion, I think that Vitali is robotic, many Europeans are, it is part and parcel of their mastery of the way the amateur system went.

Vitali is very effective doing what he does, but will we ever see him box with a loose style and plenty of fluidity, not in my opinion.

If you take the guys I mention as one side of the spectrum, then Vitali is far, far away from them, he has never shown the looseness of style that Ali showed when in his pomp. As destructive machines go he is no Joe Louis, he is great in these times, but our great is another era's good, and I'm not a misty-eyed 'historian' type, I just recognise that we live in a turgid heavyweight era.

[lest26]

this could go either/or...i'm not even concerned about a winner...i just want someone to give the brothers a challenge...tired of seeing them beat everyone the **** up so easily...

im affraid you aint gona see them get a chalenge against Haye, he is all mouth, and has a very sus chin, not very good when you got someone like Vitali hiting you flush in the face.

[TredKiller]

niether Kiltchko know's how to talk ****,

"i will give him pizza face"
"i will shut his mouth and punish him"

its not even creative,

haye's pretty good at it:

"i saw another boreing performance by Wlad "cure for insomnia" Klitchko"
"you wish you could fight for 12 rounds chump"

[DavidHaye]

Klitschko bum lovers brothers, are only boxers who get more boring as they try to act tougher.

Get back to sucking your brothers plums you boring old fart.

[Walt Liquor]

It was largely tongue-in-cheek towards the end. The guy is entitled to express his opinion, I think that Vitali is robotic, many Europeans are, it is part and parcel of their mastery of the way the amateur system went.

Vitali is very effective doing what he does, but will we ever see him box with a loose style and plenty of fluidity, not in my opinion.

If you take the guys I mention as one side of the spectrum, then Vitali is far, far away from them, he has never shown the looseness of style that Ali showed when in his pomp. As destructive machines go he is no Joe Louis, he is great in these times, but our great is another era's good, and I'm not a misty-eyed 'historian' type, I just recognise that we live in a turgid heavyweight era.

there are plenty of euros that are not robotic. no need to throw that in there. see Jocal, Naz, Dzinzurik, Abraham...etc. you should just leave europe out of it if you want to make your point, avoiding stereotypes is always a good idea.

[Neckodeemus]

there are plenty of euros that are not robotic. no need to throw that in there. see Jocal, Naz, Dzinzurik, Abraham...etc. you should just leave europe out of it if you want to make your point, avoiding stereotypes is always a good idea.

Naz is British, we class our boxers as that, 'European' as over the water. Dzinzurek, for me, is quite pre-programmed, not mightily impressive, as is the case with a lot of European fighters.

The odd exception proves the rule, but in general European-based boxers are robotic. Their amateur codes excelled in the fencing style of amateur boxing, and it stuck with many of them as pros, hence the need for a lot of European former amateur stars to ditch this way of fighting, or at least adjust it.

There is a reason why stereotypes pass into common usage, they are based on some quantifiable data, though not concrete they are a good starting point, you can then work out the exceptions from there.

In the meantime I could say Vitali, Tszyu (Russian although Aussie-based), Romanov, Kessler (jab, jab, right hand, back to the jab, threw some lefts in his last fight, but was proven to be fairly 1-D versus Calzaghe, with that said I prefer watching Kessler).

[Walt Liquor]

Naz is British, we class our boxers as that, 'European' as over the water. Dzinzurek, for me, is quite pre-programmed, not mightily impressive, as is the case with a lot of European fighters.

The odd exception proves the rule, but in general European-based boxers are robotic. Their amateur codes excelled in the fencing style of amateur boxing, and it stuck with many of them as pros, hence the need for a lot of European former amateur stars to ditch this way of fighting, or at least adjust it.

There is a reason why stereotypes pass into common usage, they are based on some quantifiable data, though not concrete they are a good starting point, you can then work out the exceptions from there.

In the meantime I could say Vitali, Tszyu (Russian although Aussie-based), Romanov, Kessler (jab, jab, right hand, back to the jab, threw some lefts in his last fight, but was proven to be fairly 1-D versus Calzaghe, with that said I prefer watching Kessler).

All I'm saying, is that you are better off discussing a fighter specifically and avoiding stereotyping.

IMO, the problem with Vitali is not that he's robotic, because that can work out for you if your opponent cannot solve your puzzle (see Kostya Tszyu), the problem is being stiff. If your offense isn't diverse, but you are loose in the ring and can set up your shots, you are fine. Vital loses a lot of speed and expends extra energy by being so stiff in there. There are very few HW's that are alive that can make him work hard enough to take advantage of this weakness.

[Neckodeemus]

All I'm saying, is that you are better off discussing a fighter specifically and avoiding stereotyping.

IMO, the problem with Vitali is not that he's robotic, because that can work out for you if your opponent cannot solve your puzzle (see Kostya Tszyu), the problem is being stiff. If your offense isn't diverse, but you are loose in the ring and can set up your shots, you are fine. Vital loses a lot of speed and expends extra energy by being so stiff in there. There are very few HW's that are alive that can make him work hard enough to take advantage of this weakness.

I always equate robotic and stiff as mutually exclusive, pre-programmed, lacking in imagination and fluidity.

Vitali's problem is the stiffness of his style, agree with you on that. Wlad K is looser, but he seems to burn up an awful lot of nervous energy in there, and can fall apart under pressure.

I've no problem with Vitali's style, it bores me to an extent, but it has brought him success. That rigid style may also explain why he is so hard to put over, no worry about him having wonky legs in there. The guy earlier took offense to my news brief, yet I've yet to speak to anyone who sees Vitali as a smooth operator. He threw a double left hook off the 1-2 during the Williams fight and looked at his own fist as if thinking, 'What was that ****!', he never did it again.

He is part and parcel of the amateur system he was raised in, the physiology of his body also plays a huge part, then again Bowe and, to a lesser extent Lewis, were quite big, but boxed fluidly.

Lewis mixed things up well, he could look a bit awkward on occasion, but he threw some nice stuff. Bowe was very good inside, something that the types of boxer discussed lack.

As for drawing generalisations, it works in boxing. Take Naz, Junior Witter, Ryan Rhodes, Kell Brook, Jon Thaxton, and Nelson, boxed out of Sheffield for the formative parts of their careers, broadly similar ‘Sheffield’ style, even when they moved coaches in their careers. It gives you a rule of thumb for weighing a fighter up, most Latvians I’ve seen box in the same way, so when you sit down at a show to watch some Latvian you have never seen before you have an indication of what you will get, but the exceptions can always pop up to challenge your views.

Anyway, I digress, hope Vitali and Haye does come off without any hiccups.