Roy Jones. The most talented fighter ever!!!

[screwhead1]

Most ridiculous argument Ive heard in a while good one. Holyfield still says hes in the best shape of his life before every fight its what they're supposed to say. Which all fighters would you say were more talented than Roy?

i remember DLH saying he was feeling better and hungrier than ever right before he fought manny...yeah he was hungry alright...

[Ivansmamma]

Jones was at his peak perhaps the most talented fighter ever. he is also not chinny he was beaten with a clean hard shot from tarver that would have dropped anyone and Johnson landed alot on him, y'all act like he has been brutally ko'd like 10 or 15 times. he took tarvers best agaion later and didn't drop and Joe couldn't even slap him out throwing 1000 punches a round, yet people will say joe isn't chinny after being down twice against 40 year old men back to back. Also Jones had a cut like Cotto's and he kept going in a fight he was losing so saying he's chinny or has no heart is not correct when desribing Jones unless of course you feel that joe was as well being that he was down against Jones & Hopkins.

Good post. Roy does not have a bad chin. He seems to have an average punch resistance.

[pbftxrs316]

Most ridiculous argument Ive heard in a while good one. Holyfield still says hes in the best shape of his life before every fight its what they're supposed to say. Which all fighters would you say were more talented than Roy?

let's see-----floyd mayweather jr.....sugar ray leonard....those two come to mind 1st.....and my argument wasn't dumb, you just took it as dumb....and once again made an excuse for roy.....but tried to polish it up by giving an example of holyfield.....think about it this way.....if roy was in his so called prime fighting tarver and johnson and calzaghe---and he claimed he was in the best shape of his life, would you believe him? now, had he got knocked out at 168 fighting these guys, or 160 fighting these guys would you say he was past his prime....roy beat a ****ing heavyweight, and came down in weight to fight tarver, who he should have fought before going to havyweight to fight ruiz.....he had to lose a lot of weight albeit, but to many of his fans, you must be another one, i know i am, he was untouchable, even then...why? because of his history and looking so superb....he decides to make the fight, and in the 1st fight, that he won, abd some felt he lost, had he gotten knocked out then, what would the excuse be besdies the weight....remember jackass, he lost by ko in the rematch, and then in the thrid fight he lost basically trying to survive tarver....that was roy's choice...what if he had beaten tarver in the rematch, i guarantee you, you would say he was in his prime, basically due to the fact that jones would let eveybody know he was in the best shape of his life, and you would believe him.....if your favorite fighter, who you believe claims this, you would buy into, but if he just meets his match like he did 3 times, then it's him out of his prime....which is why i put in teh foreman, ali, srl, and hopkins points, which you choice to ignore----i wonder why......

[pbftxrs316]

^^^^^^ #1 Montell Griffin fan.

actually, number one floyd mayweather jr. fan, get it right.....you try to put in montell griffin like you're dissing me, when you're favorite fighter beat him twice....i would say, number one tarver and johnson and calzaghe fan, but this isn't a knock on roy.....i gave roy his due-----many times.....wake up punk....

[aristotlemoses]

I love Roy. But I can't really say who is the most skilled fighter of all time. No one really can. One of my personal favorites though for all around skill and just a damn good fighter is Sweet Pea.

[AKATheMack]

let's see-----floyd mayweather jr.....sugar ray leonard....those two come to mind 1st.....and my argument wasn't dumb, you just took it as dumb....and once again made an excuse for roy.....but tried to polish it up by giving an example of holyfield.....think about it this way.....if roy was in his so called prime fighting tarver and johnson and calzaghe---and he claimed he was in the best shape of his life, would you believe him? now, had he got knocked out at 168 fighting these guys, or 160 fighting these guys would you say he was past his prime....roy beat a ****ing heavyweight, and came down in weight to fight tarver, who he should have fought before going to havyweight to fight ruiz.....he had to lose a lot of weight albeit, but to many of his fans, you must be another one, i know i am, he was untouchable, even then...why? because of his history and looking so superb....he decides to make the fight, and in the 1st fight, that he won, abd some felt he lost, had he gotten knocked out then, what would the excuse be besdies the weight....remember jackass, he lost by ko in the rematch, and then in the thrid fight he lost basically trying to survive tarver....that was roy's choice...what if he had beaten tarver in the rematch, i guarantee you, you would say he was in his prime, basically due to the fact that jones would let eveybody know he was in the best shape of his life, and you would believe him.....if your favorite fighter, who you believe claims this, you would buy into, but if he just meets his match like he did 3 times, then it's him out of his prime....which is why i put in teh foreman, ali, srl, and hopkins points, which you choice to ignore----i wonder why......

Save the ready made comebacks I didnt disagree with you. I stated that quoting Roy that he was in the best shape of his life like it meant something is ******, and I stand by that. I also think you are confused on the difference between talent and skill. Floyd is nowhere near as physically talented as Roy, but he does have more skills. As for the bolded part again you make a ridiculous accusation, I would NEVER claim a fighter whos best weight is 168 fighting at 175 and coming down from 200 is in his prime. I still have the fight between Roy and Julio Gonzales from 2001 where they were talking about he'd lost a step and that was 3yrs BEFORE the Tarver KO.

[robjr]

In the sense of overall talent, skill, and total dominance. no one compared truly.

[AKATheMack]

Before I argue anymore a few of you need to look at this.

SKILL:the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well.

TALENT:a special natural ability or aptitude

[pbftxrs316]

Save the ready made comebacks I didnt disagree with you. I stated that quoting Roy that he was in the best shape of his life like it meant something is ******, and I stand by that. I also think you are confused on the difference between talent and skill. Floyd is nowhere near as physically talented as Roy, but he does have more skills. As for the bolded part again you make a ridiculous accusation, I would NEVER claim a fighter whos best weight is 168 fighting at 175 and coming down from 200 is in his prime. I still have the fight between Roy and Julio Gonzales from 2001 where they were talking about he'd lost a step and that was 3yrs BEFORE the Tarver KO.

i also have that fight....and i can argue that floyd was more talented than roy....because floyd did many unorthodox things also, but because of his skill, he was that much more dominant---fights to watch---demarcus corley, bruseles, gatti-----all at 140, just watch the offense lays in these guys----it's both skill and talent-----watch his fights at 130 where he showboats around in many of his fights while staying dominant in the process....i mean, floyd fought with his head out a lot as well as his hands down, just like roy did......it can be argued and I STAND BY THAT.....roy was very dynamic because of his lateral movement and very fast hands.....he threw many combos and his left hook flurries were a thing of beauty, but he was beaten because of his lack of skill in those fights....that's all i'm saying....i wasn't ****ting on roy, and i know you didn't say i was----i'm just saying i wasn't....

i fought for many years, was born into this sport....i know the difference between skill and talent, but the two go hand in hand......closer than any other trait....one minute you have emanuel steward call floyd very talented...on the other hand you have goerge foreman calling floyd very skilled----talent and skill are percieved different on the surface----but they really go hand in hand.....the things roy did, he worked on in camp, that takes skill to manifest that into something magical like he did and be effective with it, which is why i called his style many times very unique.....floyd has an abundance of talent, but he knows when to go back to the fundamentals when he has to....

but throwing lead right lands and lead left hooks isn't something conservative fighters are usually trained to do...they are supposed to jab a lot more, and floyd's jab was much better than roy's jab.....but floyd is know for what? his lead right hands and left hooks, just like roy is known for his lead left hook flurries and leaping right hand leads......they both could be very unorthodox, and they both tended to rely on their reflexes, speed, and timing----which is why they got compared to each other so many times in the past.......

[pbftxrs316]

Before I argue anymore a few of you need to look at this.

SKILL:the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well.

TALENT:a special natural ability or aptitude

okay-----wait a minute---don't fighters have training camps....roy is no different---you think alll roy does and did was spar to show off just how natural his abilities were....a lot of times in fights, fighters think off of natual instinct, because their opponents are different.....which is why you see fighters do different things in different fights.....

roy has practiced his craft many times as has floyd----what choice do they have----had they not had to practice their would be no reasons for training camps....now save your english lesson for an idiot....i'm not one....by any means....

shadowboxing
padwork
double end bag work
jump roping
speed bag work
sparring


all of these things are practiced.......i've seen roy train many many times and he works on what he does in the ring, he has to.....floyd also.....