Hopkins has to be Top 10 ATG....Seriously.

[Roger Mellie]

I wouldnt have him in the top ten.

[WhoreUs]

So why do you use it to discredit Hopkins???



Their title runs are somewhat similar I guess but at the end of the day Hopkins will always have a better more impressive resume than Calzaghe, and that's why Hopkins will always be rated higher on the all time great list.



Again, are you ******? Roy Jones had a long very well amateur career, hopkins did not (remember, again he served 5 years in the pen). Roy Jones went on to compete in the olympics, again Hopkins was in prison.

That experience is something that prepared Jones for his win over hopkins. Hopkins never seen the bright lights before, he had never been in a big fight before, Jones had already experienced bigger fights. Jones was used to the cameras following his every move, he was always in a spot light since he was a teenager.

And yes, hopkins was green. ****, even jones was a bit green! Jones was more experienced of the two and was closer to his peak then hopkins, who didn't peak until his 30's.

And again, who cares? Like you said very few fighters of any time could have beat jones back than.

why do i discredit hopkins? because he's OVERRATED.

i didn't bring up roy jones. you did. all i said was "joe calzaghe didn't need 3 shots to win his vacant belt"



bernard hopkins no matter which version......would NEVER EVER beat a prime roy jones.

bernard ain't **** compared to roy. fact.



too bad roy didn't have welterweights come up to meet him.

oh wait.....roy moved up divisions to fight bigger guys.

[WhoreUs]

as a big fan of both Calzaghe and Hopkins i think Hopkins' middleweight run tops Joe's super middleweight run

they are similar though

barely.

hopkins didn't want to share all the great welterweights with his 168 counterpart.

[Nuurzhaelan]

very few could beat roy jones in 1993. maybe a prime robinson , hagler or monzon.....

because it's fun to bring up calzaghe when people overrate hopkins' career. calzaghe's run at 168 is very similar to hopkins' run at 160. both divisions were weak at the time as well. yet hopkins fans want to talk crap about joe's defenses and not unifying when hopkins' 160 run was pretty similar.

hopkins was in his physical prime and had more pro fights than roy when they fought......yet hopkins fans want to bring up the hopkins was green bs.

Don't forget Roy also had an injured right hand during that fight. And he had a fractured wrist during the Talesco fight too. Roy was using both, but his hurt limb probably did not have much thunder when he hit his opponents and he still won both fights.

[ИATAS]

why do i discredit hopkins? because he's OVERRATED.

Explain to me how he's overrated when no one out of today's fighters can come close to his resume and his accomplishments besides maybe one or two guys.

i didn't bring up roy jones. you did. all i said was "joe calzaghe didn't need 3 shots to win his vacant belt"

And that in fact is bringing up roy jones since one of those "shots" was roy jones.

bernard hopkins no matter which version......would NEVER EVER beat a prime roy jones.

That's fantastic you think that. How is that a knock on bernard?

bernard ain't **** compared to roy. fact.

Besides the fact they will always be linked, always be ranked closely in the ATG list and bhop's longevity surpasses jones. You can make the arguement for who accomplished more, who has the more impressive resume, etc. Both are ATG fighters. Fact.

too bad roy didn't have welterweights come up to meet him.

Right he fought taxi cab drivers! lol. You discredit bhop and the same can be done to the immortal roy jones. Every fighter's resume can be picked apart.

oh wait.....roy moved up divisions to fight bigger guys.

So did hopkins.
Hopkins fought trinidad who was a middleweight at the time. Oh ****, jones fought him at light heavyweight. Oscar was at 154 and was a money fight. Any fighter in anyweight class would fight oscar. Who cares?

[ИATAS]

barely.

hopkins didn't want to share all the great welterweights with his 168 counterpart.

why do you keep saying this **** even though time and time again it's been explained to you? Do you have amnesia?

Trinidad - middleweight champ
Oscar - 154 pound fighter, seen as a money fight for nard (years and years of hard work finally paid off).

[WhoreUs]

Explain to me how he's overrated when no one out of today's fighters can come close to his resume and his accomplishments besides maybe one or two guys.



And that in fact is bringing up roy jones since one of those "shots" was roy jones.




That's fantastic you think that. How is that a knock on bernard?



Besides the fact they will always be linked, always be ranked closely in the ATG list and bhop's longevity surpasses jones. You can make the arguement for who accomplished more, who has the more impressive resume, etc. Both are ATG fighters. Fact.



Right he fought taxi cab drivers! lol. You discredit bhop and the same can be done to the immortal roy jones. Every fighter's resume can be picked apart.


So did hopkins.
Hopkins fought trinidad who was a middleweight at the time. Oh ****, jones fought him at light heavyweight. Oscar was at 154 and was a money fight. Any fighter in anyweight class would fight oscar. Who cares?

he is overrated. his resume is overrated. his skills are overrated.

the fact that people rank him close to roy makes me sick.

all those taxi cab drivers you guys talk about are as good as most of the guys borenard defended against. people just trash them because roy made beating them look so easy. hopkins is lucky he never had that problem.

roy jones was a middleweight fighting at light heavyweight. bernard was a light heavyweight who cut down to fight welterweights at middleweight.

the only thing bernard has that is better than roy is that he aged better. that's it.

[WhoreUs]

why do you keep saying this **** even though time and time again it's been explained to you? Do you have amnesia?

Trinidad - middleweight champ
Oscar - 154 pound fighter, seen as a money fight for nard (years and years of hard work finally paid off).

what the fuck is tito and oscar? they're fucking welterweights!

just because they won titles at 154 and one a belt at 160 don't make them middleweights!

pacquiao is the champ at 140 and won a fight at 147. history is gona refer to him as a welterweight now? please.....

[ИATAS]

he is overrated. his resume is overrated. his skills are overrated.

You're not explaining to me how he's overrated.

In 20 years of fighting, the man has never taken a beating. Only clearly lost one time against the great Roy Jones. Never even been CUT! Never bled in a fight. Never got KO'd. Never got beat up, etc.

And the man has overrated skills!?! LMAO, you're clearly hating just to hate. Recognize the mans accomplishments, give him the props he deserves.

the fact that people rank him close to roy makes me sick.

Well I'm sorry but the game is about names and resume, who you beat, what you did, etc. Hopkins & Jones are very close in that regards, despite the fact if you or everyone else thinks jones was a much fighter or not.

all those taxi cab drivers you guys talk about are as good as most of the guys borenard defended against.

Ok, if so then clearly they are similar in more ways than you originally thought.

people just trash them because roy made beating them look so easy. hopkins is lucky he never had that problem.

Hopkins beat everyone easy too. Look at his 20 title defense. He won every single fight very clearly, there wasn't a close scorecard during that time period.

They have two completely different styles too, that should be considered.

roy jones was a middleweight fighting at light heavyweight.

LMAO, look at Jones' physic. The guy was always a natural beast, a great physical specimen. Didn't you see how ****ing ripped he was against Ruiz at heavyweight? Most normal humans couldn't do such a thing, Jones is one of those rare breeds that could.

bernard was a light heavyweight who cut down to fight welterweights at middleweight.

hahaha, the guy walked around 160-165 for 20 years! If he was cutting the weight as you imply there is no way he could have done it for so long, it's not physically possible.

the only thing bernard has that is better than roy is that he aged better. that's it.

Again, comparing Hops to Jones doesn't mean hopkins isn't an ATG or that he's overrated as you say he is. According to you, Roy Jones is/was one of the greatest fighters of all time, only possibly losing to Hagler (greatest middleweight of all time) and Sugar Ray Robinson (greatest fighter of all time). So if hops comes short when stacked against a prime Jones is no way in hell a knock on bernard.

[ИATAS]

what the fuck is tito and oscar? they're fucking welterweights!

No they weren't dumbass.

just because they won titles at 154 and one a belt at 160 don't make them middleweights!

Yes, as a matter of fact it does make Tito a middlewight, BEING THAT HE WAS A MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION!!!

pacquiao is the champ at 140 and won a fight at 147. history is gona refer to him as a welterweight now? please.....

Pacquiao wasn't a champion at 147 dumbass, it's not even comparable. Pacquiao didn't even weigh 147 pounds, he weighed 142.