Hopkins has to be Top 10 ATG....Seriously.

[THE REED]

you didnt say that in the post i quoted. but whatever i bet you still hate bob fitzsimmons and all other brittish/european boxers.

you're right i do... thanks for pointing it out

[WhoreUs]

calzaghe has 21 defences too lol

exactly.

and calzaghe didn't have draws and NC in his defense streak like bhop did.

people give joe **** for not unifying but they conveniently forget that hopkins didn't try to unify his first 7 years as a champ.

if king didn't organize the tournament for tito , who knows when hopkins would have tried to unify.

[BennyST]

Looking at another great fighter, who is much overlooked, that has a similar career. No one would ever think of calling him a top ten P4P great. An ATG certainly, but top ten? Well maybe some would if he was American.....and black.

Just joking.

He was also a long time champion at his natural weight class with a record 22 defenses and also unified his division. He also moved up and won a second title at a higher weight class. During his long title reign he beat a number of chumps but also beat as many champions as Hopkins at thirteen or whatever it was. Some of those champions, long time champs and also some that unified themselves and beat many great champions.

The difference is he was a small guy that didn't, and still doesn't get any recognition. Being in the smaller weight class, he never had that huge fight with a superstar because of the smaller divisions lacking the pulling power of heavyweights etc in those days.

The other big difference is that he did this all undefeated. A very similar career, but he never lost his title and retired as the reigning undefeated champion. All the fighters he beat were also either bigger or the same size as him. He never fought anyone champion apart from those who were champions in his division or above.

[djtmal]

exactly.

and calzaghe didn't have draws and NC in his defense streak like bhop did.

people give joe **** for not unifying but they conveniently forget that hopkins didn't try to unify his first 7 years as a champ.

if king didn't organize the tournament for tito , who knows when hopkins would have tried to unify.

hopkins and joppy held pieces of the middleweight titles at the same time and i don't remember hopkins ever uttering joppy's name until after tito ko'd him...lol

[Nubian King]

If Duran can be ranked as a Top 5 P4P ATG Hopkins should be considered as an Top 10 ATG

[WhoreUs]

hopkins and joppy held pieces of the middleweight titles at the same time and i don't remember hopkins ever uttering joppy's name until after tito ko'd him...lol

hopkins , joppy and holmes all won their belts around the same time.

joppy and holmes both kept their belts for about 5 years 'til the middleweight tournament in 2001.

shows how easy it is to keep a belt at 160 in hopkins era......

[BOLLOCKS]

No.

[WhoreUs]

If Duran can be ranked as a Top 5 P4P ATG Hopkins should be considered as an Top 10 ATG

keep duran out of your mouth , flawless.

[BOLLOCKS]

Roberto Duran > Ray Robinson

[WhoreUs]

Roberto Duran > Ray Robinson

you could make a case for it.

though most will disagree.