Why does a Boxer have to go out on his shield?

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thats not even close to the same thing as victor ortiz. He fought with a severely broken nose from the first round to the 7th round. When you cant breathe...you should stop the fight.

yeah tell that to Max Kellerman and all the idiots on this board who bashed the **** out of Vasquez after he quit against Marquez . Only now that he's regained his titled and beat Marquez twice do people not call him a quitter anymore. Well Max Kellerman still does.

[PlasticFlamingo]

The way I see it is - sure, I'm paying to see a fighter (and his opponent) do business in the ring, but I also want to see them fight another day because I enjoy their work.

If they feel they have to go out on their shield and get KO'ed whilst losing just for the sake of looking good for me, I would say to them "Listen, take a knee and live to fight some more. As a fan, I'll still pay to watch to you".

But then, I'm probably completely alone in that thought.



That's because he is still a kid. 22 is young stuff.

Taking a knee is acceptable if you are getting you ass kicked, but that is different from Ortiz's case. However, if you take a knee for your safety, guys like the Margarito crew will bash you endlessly in the forums, so its probably a no-win situation.

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You can always stay in the amateurs, that way most likely you will not get hurt. But obviously if you decide to have boxing as a full time job, then you should know the risks of it. If you don't want to take the risk of getting hurt, stay in the amateurs. If you want to try to earn big bucks, then you have to take the risk and become a pro.

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Ortiz QUIT because he didn't like those right hands.

Thank you Captain Obvious!

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And in boxing, it's just not about winning, it's also about winning the fans! And you don't win fans by quitting

[AllEyesOpen]

Many boxers have fought trough worse cuts, more recently Cotto boxed a beast for more than 7 rounds with a bad cut. Ortiz just doesn't have the will to continue until the fight was waved off. There is no way that he will survive in the top pier with that mentality.

Cotto had one bad eye, not 2. you can fight with one cut eye til the ref stops the fight but if you can't see at all what could he have done? One cut eye and one badly swollen eye= a blind fighter.

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You can always stay in the amateurs, that way most likely you will not get hurt. But obviously if you decide to have boxing as a full time job, then you should know the risks of it. If you don't want to take the risk of getting hurt, stay in the amateurs. If you want to try to earn big bucks, then you have to take the risk and become a pro.

Of coarse there are risks and i'm sure every boxer knows that but that still doesn't mean fans, promoters, and their cornermen should pressure them into situations where there health and life are at risk. I think every fighter knows they can be killed by a freak punch in the ring but that is completely diffrent than absorbing lots of punishment over time and even though you know you are hurt you get pressured by the fans, Media, and trainers to continue fighting which makes it even more dangerous in that ring. To me that is unneccessary and just plain dumb!

Take the thrilla in Manilla for instance. Had Eddie Futch not stopped the fight when he did Joe frazier could of been killed in the ring. Could Frasier have continued? Yes i'm sure. Could he have won the fight had he continued? Yes! But when Frasiers life was in danger Eddie Futch made the right decision and protected his fighter. He didn't feel his fighters life was worth the risk to win a boxing match. To me thats the best thing anyone in the sport of boxing has done to ensure that their fighter was protected.

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And in boxing, it's just not about winning, it's also about winning the fans! And you don't win fans by quitting

And none of those things are worth ones life. Sure quitting isn't gonna endeer you to boxing fans around the world but big ***ing deal you're still alive and you can always redeem yourself like Isreal Vasquez did right?

[AllEyesOpen]

And none of those things are worth ones life. Sure quitting isn't gonna endeer you to boxing fans around the world but big ***ing deal you're still alive and you can always redeem yourself like Isreal Vasquez did right?

In the end it comes down to how far a fighter is willing to push himself, I don't think he should be forced to risk his life but if he chooses to do so then so be it. Think about all the great fights and moments we would have missed if the fighter chose to quit, for example Cotto wouldn't have shown such a great performance against Clottey if he didn't feel he had to prove something no matter what.

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In the end it comes down to how far a fighter is willing to push himself, I don't think he should be forced to risk his life but if he chooses to do so then so be it. Think about all the great fights and moments we would have missed if the fighter chose to quit, for example Cotto wouldn't have shown such a great performance against Clottey if he didn't feel he had to prove something no matter what.

yeah but when cotto is smiling and joking in his corner so thats a bad example. I'm talking about a fighter who quits because he knows he's hurt and chooses not to take a beating anymore. Is self preservation really that wrong?