Why does a Boxer have to go out on his shield?

[pistol whip]

Before Ortiz quit you were all for fighters going out on their shields.

You routinely call fighters you don't like COWARDS and p*ssies...now that somebody you like QUIT...you're talking out the other side of that ballwasher you call a mouth.

You sir

Are a hypocrite.

No I have been fighting this crusade ever since i started posting on this board and a prime example I have always used has been Suger Ray Robinson. He is a prime example of a fighter who under certin circumstances had to retire from a fight that he was leading against Joey Maxim for the LW title. Heat and dehydration were his enemy that night but what people fail to realize is that Maxim was also fighting under the same conditions but chose not to submit. Does that Make Robinson a quitter? No! It's like you have never read any of my posts hypocrite!

[pistol whip]

athletes ARE gladiators


just like entertainers are jesters


its all the same

Ugh Gladiators were ****** forced into combat. Historians often say that the gladiator period in ancient Rome marked the begining of the end for what was a great nation.

[Deja_Vous]

No I have been fighting this crusade ever since i started posting on this board and a prime example I have always used has been Suger Ray Robinson. He is a prime example of a fighter who under certin circumstances had to retire from a fight that he was leading against Joey Maxim for the LW title. Heat and dehydration were his enemy that night but what people fail to realize is that Maxim was also fighting under the same conditions but chose not to submit. Does that Make Robinson a quitter? No! It's like you have never read any of my posts hypocrite!

I have read your hating ass posts.


Ortiz QUIT because he didn't like those right hands.

[Owlzfan84]

Isreal Vazques quit against Rafael Marquez and what happened? The media said he was finished, idiot max Kellerman called him a quitter, and yet the guy right now is a top 10 PFP fighter and the ring champion in his division plus he beat Marquez twice in two rematches. So much for what fans and the media knows about a boxers heart.

Vasquez wouldn't have been the first boxer to fight with a broken nose yet what did his decision to quit do for his career? It probably extended it and saved him a few braincells.

thats not even close to the same thing as victor ortiz. He fought with a severely broken nose from the first round to the 7th round. When you cant breathe...you should stop the fight.

[PlasticFlamingo]

I can't support a guy that displays such a discouraging lack of heart, Ortiz was winning and he behaved like a kid when he faced someone that he couldn't dominate so easily, he had no serious injury, his nose was merely bruised and he sure as hell wasn't going to die if he went around a couple of rounds more. He submitted, like a coward without reason, at least guys like Vazquez only quit after getting their asses kicked. He is huge disappoiment, soon to become Zab Judah Jr.

[AllEyesOpen]

All this victor ortiz quitting **** has shown me one important thing about boxing fans. They are the dumbest and most downright ignorent fans on the planet. Seriously this is a sport where if you combined all the people that have died on the playing fields of Car Racing, Football, Baseball, basketball, and Hockey combined it still wouldn't equal half of all the boxers that are dead. So again what is the stigma about a boxer quitting? Emmit Smith dislocates a shoulder and continues playing a game and he's a legend. If a boxer continues to box even when badly injured its buissness as usual. Anyone else see the hypocrisy in that?

Seriously I wish boxing was a really small sport that only a select few people liked because it seems to me that nowadays nobody apriciates the skill and just wants to see two people bash each others brains in. Go to a bar if you wana see two drunk idiots beat each other up. I watch boxing because it's the "sweet science" not because it's a human **** fight.

A fighter should do what he feels is right for his health, I've never had anything against anyone who couldn't continue simply cause it's his life at risk. The difference i see tho between boxers and other athletes is that they really can't say i'm gonna take this one off cause i'm hurt cause there's no other game or race that they can improve their standing, a loss in boxing can hurt a career so they have to push on, like in the Cotto fight, he had to prove himself, which is why it's more common and less respected. I also feel that there's almost always a puncher's chance to change the fight, like in the Castillo/Corrales fight.

[AllEyesOpen]

I can't support a guy that displays such a discouraging lack of heart, Ortiz was winning and he behaved like a kid when he faced someone that he couldn't dominate so easily, he had no serious injury, his nose was merely bruised and he sure as hell wasn't going to die if he went around a couple of rounds more. He submitted, like a coward without reason, at least guys like Vazquez only quit after getting their asses kicked. He is huge disappoiment, soon to become Zab Judah Jr.

I completely disagree, the fact of the matter was that if Ortiz would have continued he would have been blind in 2 round, he had a cut over one eye and a very badly swollen left eye(if i recall correctly). What i didn't like about the Ortiz bout was what he said afterwards but he took that back.

[Levcon8686]

Isreal Vazques quit against Rafael Marquez and what happened? The media said he was finished, idiot max Kellerman called him a quitter, and yet the guy right now is a top 10 PFP fighter and the ring champion in his division plus he beat Marquez twice in two rematches. So much for what fans and the media knows about a boxers heart.

Vasquez wouldn't have been the first boxer to fight with a broken nose yet what did his decision to quit do for his career? It probably extended it and saved him a few braincells.

I can see the arguments for both sides but you do make a good point here. Vazquez essentially 'quit' saving himself more punishment, but came back and is still at the top of the sport.

[PlasticFlamingo]

I completely disagree, the fact of the matter was that if Ortiz would have continued he would have been blind in 2 round, he had a cut over one eye and a very badly swollen left eye(if i recall correctly). What i didn't like about the Ortiz bout was what he said afterwards but he took that back.

Many boxers have fought trough worse cuts, more recently Cotto boxed a beast for more than 7 rounds with a bad cut. Ortiz just doesn't have the will to continue until the fight was waved off. There is no way that he will survive in the top pier with that mentality.

[PittyPat]

The way I see it is - sure, I'm paying to see a fighter (and his opponent) do business in the ring, but I also want to see them fight another day because I enjoy their work.

If they feel they have to go out on their shield and get KO'ed whilst losing just for the sake of looking good for me, I would say to them "Listen, take a knee and live to fight some more. As a fan, I'll still pay to watch to you".

But then, I'm probably completely alone in that thought.

Ortiz was winning and he behaved like a kid when he faced someone that he couldn't dominate so easily

That's because he is still a kid. 22 is young stuff. I'd rather see him fight on in the future than watch his career end in the ring just to satisfy a bloodthirsty type like you.