Manny Pacquiao: "The Miguel Cotto Fight is 80% Done"

[Talisayen]

Name MORE than ONE all-time-great..repeat: MORE than ONE all-time-great. Read before you reply bro. Jeez. Rocky and ...... (im waiting?)

I respect your posts Grustler, don't get mixed up with trolls like Braggart. You always back up your arguments with facts, so I respect them even when I ultimately disagree with them. But you know this guy just cuts and pastes.

douche you never mentioned Rocky Marciano on your 1st post, so don't bull****.

[Talisayen]

Name MORE than ONE all-time-great..repeat: MORE than ONE all-time-great. Read before you reply bro. Jeez. Rocky and ...... (im waiting?)

I respect your posts Grustler, don't get mixed up with trolls like Braggart. You always back up your arguments with facts, so I respect them even when I ultimately disagree with them. But you know this guy just cuts and pastes.

My posting about Cotto won't stop until you trully understand the truth. Take a knee or just kill yourself. LOL

[prsi]

Nobody is trying to discredit Cotto for his victories over Clottey and Mosley except for the controversy of the fight results. Some people just bring up the fact that the opponents that Cotto beat for their titles were nothing special. And I agree with that. Jennings and Pinto were scrubs. Quintana just had one good night against Paul Williams and got knocked out in a rematch. But I give Cotto some credit for that victory because of the victory Carlos holds over Williams in the first fight.

Yes, somepeople try to discredit Cotto by saying what the say about the vacant title victories (not saying your one of them). My point right now regarding those comment is that people choose what they want to see. In this case they choose to see only the boxers against whom Cotto won those vacant titles. they don't choose to look at the boxers he fought to defend the titles. regarding the controversy decision, for me it was a clear victory against Mosley close but clear. Probably Clottey fight was closer but Clottey lost it when he didn't show up in the 'CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS" given Cotto the edge which you can't do against a champion. People mention the low blows (2) against Zab Judah to try to discredit his victory but every body saw that there was only one low blow but the referee saw 2. After the replays 1 was not a low blow Judah faked it.

We can go over and over with opinions from you side to my side on how we saw each fight but the record will stand wether you like it ir not.

The fact is that the quantity of quality boxers that Cotto has faced can be compared to any oponents of top ten P4P boxer right know in the sport. Now that you mention the word "controversy" Cotto's only defeat is part of a "controversy" it self (plaster). I have not discredit Maywether, Pacquiao, Mosley for their victories against their oponenents, because they had some pretty good oponents, but i refuse to admit that Cotto should have a black clowd because he fought for several vacant title. Once again in this Boxing Era it's not the belt it's who you faced

If you compare his resume and his oponents at the moment he fought them, it is as good quality as other boxers oponents mentioned aboved. Some mighyt say it's even better but some might say it's not. Once again it's a matter of opinion.

[Talisayen]

For real man! They still haven't answered my previous post so
going to ask the question again:

Gabilan is taking a knee and asking for your forgiveness. Slowly but surely, they are catching up with the truth. LOL

[GRUSTLER]

Understood. But you just jumped into an argument without really knowing what we were talking about. Thats all. My point was that undefeated records do not equal being an ATG. ATGs eventually lose because they challenge themselves and, for one reason or other, eventually lose. That is something I havent seen from Mayweather since his jump to 140lbs. Hopefully he will remedy that over the next couple of years.

I didn't jump into the conversation, I replied to your post, wasn't
personal at all, I don't rock on here like that. I agree and want to
see Floyd fight more at 147 but that doesn't take away from what
he has accomplished already. Floyd career spans longer than Cotto
so Floyd has fought his tough challenges at his lower weights and
and began earning his fame and $ at 140/147. Cotto is earning his
at 147, doesn't make Cotto more accomplished or better reputation
wise than Floyd because Floyd is already considered a Hall Of Famer
and Cotto is not.

[Talisayen]

Why does it have to be more than one? There is one. I don't know
if he cuts and paste or not but he doesn't come on and disrespect
calling names and talking **** like a lot of others on here and that
is what ultimately I'm good with. I'd rather deal with a guy that
cuts and pasted then a person that disrespects any day. Not saying
you do because you haven't but you know what I mean.

If you look at all of my postings, you'll know that I dont do cut and paste. But, if you look at Gabilan postings (not mentioning poor grammar) you'll see that they also try to put down boxers that are not a padrino to them.

[Gabilan]

OK, so your saying that Beating Baldomir is the same as beating
Michael Jennings for a Vacant strap that another fighter left? Come
on man. Baldomir beat Zab fair and square who was the UNDISPUTED
WW CHAMPION, Jennings didn't beat anybody and Cotto didn't beat
Williams, they fought for a man's title that left it because he couldn't
get a fight and he called out Cotto after Quintana. Flyod beat Baldomir
who was the recognize champ at WW. Regardless if we think he was
as good as Cotto or not, fact is, he still earned it and you shouldn't
try to take a man's achievements away since Cotto has done what
Baldomir has done in his career YET. At 140, Cotto fought Corley
after Floyd? How can he be more impressive at 140 then Floyd
was. We know Cotto is fighting more at 147 because his career
only spans 2 divisions, Floyd exceeds him and was the champ
UNDEFEATED for 10 YEARS! How can you say, Pac win was more
impressive than Floyd's when Floyd fought an UNDEFEATED Hatton
coming off of a devastating victory over Castillo, the man that
arguably beat Floyd the 1st time? Pacquiao victory was no doubt
impressive, but if you look at it overall Floyd KO'd Hatton first
end of story.

1) I did say the victory over Baldomir was more impressive. Its only relative, however, because Baldomir fought stiffs most of his career and has lost TWELVE times and has SIX draws. So don't tell me he is above Cotto. He had a significant but very brief run at the top and that is all. Im not diminishing him. Im just being objective and I, in fact, rooted for him. It was a good story.

2) Overall, Floyd obviously has had a better career so far. His is longer too. I did specify post 135 lb Mayweather. He was amazing at 135 but not so much since then:

He only fought THREE times at 140: Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti. Impressed? And we know what he's done at 147: Gatti, Mitchel, Judah, Baldomir, and then Hatton. Does that list really impress you? Be honest.

3) Hatton is not effective at 147 and had Mayweather fought him at 140, like Pac did, I would have been more impressed. Collazo demonstrated that and there's a reason why Hatton went back down. His limited mauling style did not work with bigger guys. Good victory for Mayweather? Yes. But to me Pac's is bigger even though Hatton was older. Thats just my opinion.

[Gabilan]

If you look at all of my postings, you'll know that I dont do cut and paste. But, if you look at Gabilan postings (not mentioning poor grammar) you'll see that they also try to put down boxers that are not a padrino to them.

Hilarious. Its unfortunate that you have to resort to ad hominems (look it up) instead of dealing with the argument at hand. I am very sorry to inform you that I am actually a published author. So if it is at all difficult for you to comprehend what I write, the fault most likely lies with your own deficiencies. Not that it really matters in a boxing thread. But since you brought it up I might as well point out what skills you should look to improve upon. See you around.

[GRUSTLER]

If you look at all of my postings, you'll know that I dont do cut and paste. But, if you look at Gabilan postings (not mentioning poor grammar) you'll see that they also try to put down boxers that are not a padrino to them.

I don't know if you cut and paste or not but what I do know is that
you come off as a cool guy so I'm with that, no matter if your a
Floyd/Mosley/Cotto/Williams fan or whatever. I'm not keen on
disrespect towards me at all because I never come off like that.
All I do is voice my opinion about fighters and for some reason
Cotto fans can bash EVERY OTHER FIGHTER but when someone
says something negative or critique Cotto then **** hits the fan
and i don't feel like that's right and exact.

[Talisayen]

Hilarious. Its unfortunate that you have to resort to ad hominems (look it up) instead of dealing with the argument at hand. I am very sorry to inform you that I am actually a published author. So if it is at all difficult for you to comprehend what I write, the fault most likely lies with your own deficiencies. Not that it really matters in a boxing thread. But since you brought it up I might as well point out what skills you should look to improve upon. See you around.

Damn, you're an editor BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA you're joking right? What is hominems? OOhhhhhh ****nyms that's probably what you're trying to say. OK editor what wrong with this "comprehend what I write, the fault most likely lies with your own deficiencies" tell me what's wrong with it Mr. Editor. LOL